The S-300. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of military matters has heard of this missile. This is one of the boogeymen of all air forces, and with good reason.
You have a very powerful missile (thats fast) coupled with a superb transporter along with phased array radar.
In other words, while you're flying in to hit in at one location, it can move at high speed to setup at another. Partner this system with the Pantsir S1 and you have a powerful system.
There are no S-300 in Syria
ReplyDeletehttp://en.ria.ru/world/20130831/183075695/Russia-Delays-Arms-Supplies-to-Syria-over-Money--Paper.html
i was waiting for someone to protest so thanks for giving me a chance to voice this theory.
DeleteSyria has become something of a proxy war between the US vs. Russia, the US vs. Iran etc...Putin denied delivery of this weapon system in May because of Israeli protests but I contend that those were simply window dressing. Syria expressed interest in these systems and i believe they've been delivered. maybe not directly, maybe through Iran, but nevertheless these systems have to be included in Syria's order of battle.
Even if S300 is on the ground in Syria we might no see it in action in first phase. As its a bit of waste to use it for downing cruise missiles that are hitting infrastructure that is abandoned prior to strikes anyway.,that job is more in line with Pantsyr.
ReplyDeleteyeah. with Congress coming back in town in another week, the strike makes less and less sense. Krauthammer was right, this is amateur hour.
Deletethe only thing that gives me confidence is that we have survived bad leadership before and we will this time. Carter, Nixon, a bunch of other idiots that i can't remember. we'll be alright.
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ReplyDeleteI seriously have my daubts about the effectivness of the s300 agains the usaf, to begin with this system is not combat proven afaik, furthermore its big sluggish (also a big target) and its missles are almost as visable by any sensor and the eyse as an apollo V.
DeleteBut my most importand argument is that U.S. intellegence no doubt has an intimate knowledge of this system thanks to the NOTO ally Greece who owns a number of batteries, seen em myself on crete :)
If we learned anything in the past US intelligence in middle east sucks big time. All these systems are quite mobile and also protected by short range systems and cruise missle strike is hardly a method to take down airdefence ,for that you need planes with pilots and if we can draw any conclusions from Kosovo suppresing air defences is not easy and it takes a lot of planes and missions both of which are unlikely in case of Syria.
DeleteVideo of Pantsir S1 tests I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-dQZgPo_PY
ReplyDeleteShows it shooting small targets from distance and knocking out cruise missiles in tests. Just in case any of you were board...
If you check out Russian view on Syrian order of battle it seems that the conclude that Syria is illprepared for a proper fight and more than 80% of SAMs are outdated coldwar gear
ReplyDeleteRussians list 900 SAM launchers and cca 4,000 anti-aircraft . Off which there are cca 50 long range systems S-200 "Angara",C-200B "Vega",C-75 "Dvina", C-75M "Volga." these all are old and will be the first targets of any strike,Syria reportedly posses 48x S300 systems of older generation . Medium range missle systems are a bit more modern "Buk-M1-2", "Buk-M2E (36x SDA 12x ROM), as well as the legacy SAM C-125" Neva ", C -125M "Pechora" (140x), 200x SPU "Cube", 14x SAM "Wasp" ,the only realy cutting edge system is ZRPK Pantsir"Armour-S1E," 50 units ordered in 2006 most are in service. Estimates on MANPADS is at 4000x "Strela-2/2M", "Strela-3" , on AAA estimates run at 2,000x anti-aircraft artillery systems 'ZU-23-2', 400x ZSU-23-4 "Shilka''.
As we can see, the bulk of SAM and AAA systems (about 80%) is vintage gear that was in part modernised.
Found this at Aussie Air Power.
ReplyDeleteThis would make their S-200 far more effective.
"S-400 and Legacy Surface to Air Missile System Hybridisation
Some sources also credit the S-400 with the capability first demonstrated in the S-300PMU2 Favorit, of controlling S-200/SA-5 Gammon batteries and directing the 5N62VE Square Pair FMCW guidance and illumination radar. Given that the Russian S-200 inventory and missile warstock has been decommissioned and exported, if this capability is retained, it is for export clientele.
If software and datalink modems are supplied in production S-400 systems to support the S-200 / SA-5, this raises the question of potential hybridisation with other legacy SAM types. With most potential export clientele already operating legacy SAM systems such as the S-75M/SA-2 Guideline, S-125/SA-3 Goa and 3M9/9M9/SA-6 Gainful, this could prove to be an attractive marketing tool. The model claimed for the S-200/SA-5 would likely be applied, using the SNR-75 Fan Song, SNR-125 Low Blow or 1S91 Straight Flush to guide the missiles to an aimpoint produced by the 92N6E Grave Stone tracking the target, and in the latter instance, provide terminal phase illumination. The key issue of reconciling location errors between the various system components can be addressed by satellite navigation, with dual mode GPS/Glonass receivers already widely used in Russian equipment. The use of the NK Orientir precision geolocation and angular alignment system in the S-300PMU2 and S-400 presents a good example.
The 2008 VKO paper by Lemanskiy et al of Almaz-Antey described the capability to control a range of S-300P variant batteries, and other contemporary IADS elements, but did not elaborate on legacy SAM system integration."
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html