i think what we'll see is that our allies and enemies will all be operating more advanced and capable aircraft than the US pretty soon.
the F-35 is just a money pit and a scam.
developments like the Japanese stealth fighter are the real deal. our only hope now is that we keep ahead of the pack by developing stealth UAVs , lasers and rail guns.
Japanese face their own problems, namely that hardly any other country beside the US can afford what is expected to be a very expensive jet, and this is why Japan keeps pushing for a project merger with one of US's next-gen fighter jet projects to build the economy of scale.
See that's the thing Solomon, paper airplanes are great. They have no downsides and all this awesome tech. If only real world airplanes were anything like paper airplanes.
whats your point ATS. speak plainly. if you're trying to say that the F-35 is the shit because its real and flying then i tell you that its too expensive and the requirements have been watered down so much that its a gen 3 fighter.
if you're saying that the Japanese won't be able to build these planes then i tell you that they're technologically capable and can absorb the cost of these airplanes development.
Considering the F-35A sale to Japan (and LM probably hopes they could be a potential F-35B customer) I wonder if there will be any industrial collaboration with them on this effort. Obviously Lockheed doesn't want it to compete with the F-35 for future sales but at the same time it is work for them and they and Northrop are easily the two experts at VLO design.
But the point about the paper airplane stands true. I mean the F-35 would be an incredible deal if everything went as it was supposed to on paper. To presume the Japanese, South Koreans, Chinese, Russians or others won't encounter some similar difficulties would be naive.
> if there will be any industrial collaboration with them on this effort.
Since the F-35 will now replace F-15Js, there will be an effort to bring up its A2A capability, by means of a Japanese AESA seeker equipped Meteor missile.
But the Japanese aren't interested in the F-35B, because they are building regular carriers, not STOVL carriers, as many outsiders assume.
Solomon, as for what I base it on, pretty much the entire history of military equipment development. Paper equipment is always better than reality. If it wasn't, it would never make it off paper in the first place. Same as it ever was.
For example, PAK-FA still doesn't have it engine and according to media reports out of india, the costs have risen dramatically on the frame and equipment.
China's plane is still at the prototype testing stage. They've got a year until they get even to the production testing stage.
The PAK-FA has an engine, its the AL-31 variant for now while it is in its development stage. The fact that even the prototype PAKFA has a brilliant proven engine powering it in its test stages is good news indeed. Now i dont want to go into the AL-31/41 war but even a casual look at the old AL-31 engine will tell you its amazing potential. From 123kN thrust when first released to now 147kN of thrust and everything in between for all those Su-30 variants. Believe it or not, that engine is a decent bit of engeneering.
And the cost overruns news comming out of India is because of reasons other than Technical/Technological. The first being the Indian Rupee currency getting its ass kicked and depreciating to the dollar from 40/dollar to 61/dollar. The next being that Russians are tough negotiators especially with technology and sharing (Ukraine?). And, on a limited budget, the Indian Air Force is for the moment concentrating on the Rafaels while deliberatly releasing half baked reports of the PAKFA's high costs to lean the Defence bureucrats to give more emphasis on the Rafael.
Make you wonder if this might steal some sales away from the F-35... Or maybe pick up some of the slack when the F-35's production is cut short.
ReplyDeletei think what we'll see is that our allies and enemies will all be operating more advanced and capable aircraft than the US pretty soon.
Deletethe F-35 is just a money pit and a scam.
developments like the Japanese stealth fighter are the real deal. our only hope now is that we keep ahead of the pack by developing stealth UAVs , lasers and rail guns.
Solomon,
DeleteJapanese face their own problems, namely that hardly any other country beside the US can afford what is expected to be a very expensive jet, and this is why Japan keeps pushing for a project merger with one of US's next-gen fighter jet projects to build the economy of scale.
See that's the thing Solomon, paper airplanes are great. They have no downsides and all this awesome tech. If only real world airplanes were anything like paper airplanes.
Deletewhats your point ATS. speak plainly. if you're trying to say that the F-35 is the shit because its real and flying then i tell you that its too expensive and the requirements have been watered down so much that its a gen 3 fighter.
Deleteif you're saying that the Japanese won't be able to build these planes then i tell you that they're technologically capable and can absorb the cost of these airplanes development.
so what are you talking about?
A) the won't be as good as the F35, and won't be as good as they think they are before they start
DeleteB) they will costs more than japan can afford
You can apply both of those to the PAK-FA and the Chinese new gen fighter jet as well.
what do you base that on? wishful thinking or are there some facts you can toss my way.
DeleteConsidering the F-35A sale to Japan (and LM probably hopes they could be a potential F-35B customer) I wonder if there will be any industrial collaboration with them on this effort. Obviously Lockheed doesn't want it to compete with the F-35 for future sales but at the same time it is work for them and they and Northrop are easily the two experts at VLO design.
DeleteBut the point about the paper airplane stands true. I mean the F-35 would be an incredible deal if everything went as it was supposed to on paper. To presume the Japanese, South Koreans, Chinese, Russians or others won't encounter some similar difficulties would be naive.
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Delete> if there will be any industrial collaboration with them on this effort.
Since the F-35 will now replace F-15Js, there will be an effort to bring up its A2A capability, by means of a Japanese AESA seeker equipped Meteor missile.
But the Japanese aren't interested in the F-35B, because they are building regular carriers, not STOVL carriers, as many outsiders assume.
No canards out front, and its as curvey as kim kardashian or a christina hendricks.
DeleteAnyway....due to my own entrenched interests.....i do hope the Sukhoi comes Top Dog in this fight of the 5th gens.
DeleteSolomon, as for what I base it on, pretty much the entire history of military equipment development. Paper equipment is always better than reality. If it wasn't, it would never make it off paper in the first place. Same as it ever was.
DeleteFor example, PAK-FA still doesn't have it engine and according to media reports out of india, the costs have risen dramatically on the frame and equipment.
China's plane is still at the prototype testing stage. They've got a year until they get even to the production testing stage.
The PAK-FA has an engine, its the AL-31 variant for now while it is in its development stage. The fact that even the prototype PAKFA has a brilliant proven engine powering it in its test stages is good news indeed. Now i dont want to go into the AL-31/41 war but even a casual look at the old AL-31 engine will tell you its amazing potential. From 123kN thrust when first released to now 147kN of thrust and everything in between for all those Su-30 variants. Believe it or not, that engine is a decent bit of engeneering.
DeleteAnd the cost overruns news comming out of India is because of reasons other than Technical/Technological. The first being the Indian Rupee currency getting its ass kicked and depreciating to the dollar from 40/dollar to 61/dollar. The next being that Russians are tough negotiators especially with technology and sharing (Ukraine?). And, on a limited budget, the Indian Air Force is for the moment concentrating on the Rafaels while deliberatly releasing half baked reports of the PAKFA's high costs to lean the Defence bureucrats to give more emphasis on the Rafael.
DeleteAnd now i must stop commenting on the 5th gen aircraft cause obviously I cannot give a un-biased view especially with the PAK-FA involved.
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