Friday, April 01, 2011

Highlight on Harvest Hawk.

UPDATE! 

I've had a couple of readers question my assertion that the USMC came out with this idea before SOCOM did and since other nations are attempting to jump on the "instant" gunship bandwagon, that the Marines should consider this another innovation in the art of war and shout it to the roof tops (I stated that SOCOM will and the public and more importantly lawmakers will know no better).  Well it seems that proof is needed and to provide that proof I turn to the Blog "War is Boring" circa 05.07.09.  Read it and weep those who doubt me...
by DAVID AXE
The Marines have always envied the Air Force’s two dozen AC-130 gunships — which, with their accurate guns and long loiter times, count as some of the deadliest weapons in U.S. wars. This spring, the Marines decided to buy nine kits for their KC-130J tanker-transports, each kit comprising Hellfire and Viper Strike missiles and bolt-on sensors — with a door gun, optional. The result, code-named Harvest Hawk, turns a tanker into a gunship, in just four hours, on the cheap.
Now the twist: the Air Force has struggled for years to build a new gunship to replace the AC-130s, which average more than 20 years old. The AC-X gunship concept went nowhere. The AC-XX “gunship lite” program, meant to turn the twin-engine C-27J transport into a small gunship, apparently died this year, when the Pentagon cut the C-27J program in half. So now the Air Force is borrowing the Harvest Hawk idea, adding “sensors, communication systems, precision guided munitions and a single medium-caliber gun” to eight MC-130W infiltration transports, pictured, according to budget documents.
This kind of modularity represents the future of air power. Build a basic platform like a C-130, and add kits — and extra crew — for the gunship, tanker and other roles, as needed.

KC-130J Harvest Hawk: Marine Corps teaches old plane new tricks in Afghanistan 


  CAMP DWYER, Afghanistan  — One of the U.S. military’s most seasoned aircraft has found a new purpose as a one-of-a-kind weapon for the Marine Corps in support of troops on the ground in Afghanistan. The U.S. military has relied on the C-130 Hercules platform for a variety of tasks including air-to-air refueling, and cargo and troop transportation for more than 50 years. But the Marine Corps, in partnership with Lockheed-Martin, has recently created a unique variant of its KC-130J by outfitting an existing plane with what has been dubbed the Harvest Hawk weapons system.
“It’s a brand new capability for the Marine Corps and it’s proving itself very well,” said Capt. Joel D. Dunivant, a KC-130J aircraft commander with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 352 out of Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, Calif., who is currently deployed to Afghanistan. “I’ve been a KC-130 pilot my whole time in the Marine Corps, but this is a new capability for us to support the Marines on the ground.”
The Harvest Hawk system includes a version of the target sight sensor used on the AH-1Z Cobra attack helicopter as well as a complement of four AGM-114 Hellfire and 10 Griffin missiles, a modular, precision-guided missile system typically employed on unmanned aerial vehicles.  The system expands the role of the KC-130J for 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing (Forward) beyond its traditional level of support to include close air support against enemy positions and providing surveillance to disrupt improvised explosive device emplacements.   
“Harvest Hawk, for me, is an opportunity to help the guys on the ground,” said Capt. Bradley C. Stadelmeier, with VMGR-352, a co-pilot for the Harvest Hawk equipped KC-130J.
Even with its expanded capabilities, Harvest Hawk crewmembers said the aircraft retains its original capabilities in refueling and transportation. Crewmembers said the Harvest Hawk KC-130J has been used to refuel other coalition aircraft in Afghanistan, and that the entire system can be removed in less than a day if necessary.
The Harvest Hawk first saw service in the Afghan skies in late 2010. Nearly six months since its inception, the aircraft has spent hundreds of hours in the air supporting coalition troops.
“I was highly skeptical of this program until I was on the ground side,” said Capt. Christopher Klempay, the air officer for 3rd Battalion, 9th Marine Regiment.  “Now, my opinion is that this is one of the best missions the Hercules can provide the ground force commander.”
Supporting Marine Corps ground forces and coalition partners is one of the primary missions for the Harvest Hawk equipped KC-130J, and both aircrew and Marines on the ground said its ability to stay in the air for long periods of time, providing both surveillance and close-air support is a primary reason for its success.
“It’s great to be a part of something that helps Marines get home safely at night,” said Cpl. Jessica M. Egan, a crew chief with VMGR-352, who serves with the Harvest Hawk detachment.
Additionally, the aircraft’s laser-guided weapons allow for pinpoint accuracy, helping to ensure insurgents are neutralized with minimal impact on the Afghan people and their property.
“The Harvest Hawk is the close air support platform of choice for counter insurgency in Marjah, where collateral damage is a major concern,” said Klempay. “The fire control officers, who sit in the back of the Hercules, are the best in town because they have the ability to devote 100 percent of their attention looking for the enemy on their video imagery and talking to the forward air controllers.” 
In addition to its standard complement of officer and enlisted crew, the Harvest Hawk equipped KC-130J is manned by two fire control officers to monitor and control the weapons and surveillance systems. These Marines, either AV-8B Harrier pilots or F/A-18 Hornet weapon systems officers, bring their expertise in close air support and serve as a vital link between the Marines on the ground and the aircraft supporting them.
“The tools are a little different, but the job is similar,” said Maj. Marc E. Blankenbicker with VMGR-352, the lead fire control officer for the Harvest Hawk detachment, whose primary duty in the Marine Corps is as an F/A-18 weapon systems officer. “It’s very rewarding to take a skill set from one aircraft and translate it to another aircraft.”
Both Marines in the air and Marines on the ground have cited a recent mission as a hallmark of the Harvest Hawk equipped KC-130J’s effectiveness. On March 14, the aircraft stayed airborne approximately 10 hours, expending its entire complement of Hellfire missiles providing close air support for multiple Marine Corps units operating across Regional Command Southwest.
“That Harvest Hawk was on a general scan for IED emplacers. They found four individuals digging in the road, saw them drop something heavy into a hole in the road, and the battalion determined these individuals to be hostile,” said Klempay of one of the requests the Harvest Hawk KC-130J supported that day. “The Harvest Hawk launched a Hellfire, neutralizing the enemy threat.”
Blankenbicker explained the KC-130J supported two other Marine battalions operating the same day, eliminating a number of enemy fighters.
“The Harvest Hawk is a great platform. I can talk directly to the pilot and we can improve each other's situational awareness on the spot,” said 1st Lt. Charles Broun, a platoon commander with Kilo Company, 3rd Bn., 5th Marine Regiment. “Throw in the precision ordnance it carries and it is an outstanding combat multiplier.”
“Being in the aviation community, as an aircrew, gives you a unique perspective as what the infantry battalions do every day,” said Blankenbicker. “You see where they live; you see the villages where they work. We see firsthand the efforts of the units that we’re here to support.
“Whenever you are enabling a Marine battalion to better do their job,” added Blankenbicker. “That’s a good feeling.”

Awesome new capability but one thing annoys me.  This is another innovation courtesy of the United States Marine Corps...an innovation which is being copied by the Special Operations Command (and soon other nations around the globe...if memory serves a nation is already attempting to copy this with a C-27) and one that SOCOM will shout to the roof tops.  But it was brought to the imaginations of the warfighting community by the USMC.

Somehow, someway, the Marine story needs to be delivered in a more timely fashion.  Of all the services the idea of jointness has hurt the Marine Corps the most.  I believe its time to emphasize the differences.

14 comments :

  1. Harvest Hawk is very cool. I love the whole instant-gunship idea. I still have yet to see a good pic or video of the Griffin missile being fired from the ramp. The 4 hellfires on the wing are cool, but there's also 10 griffins on the ramp in some tube launcher set-up. I'm curious what that looks like.

    I read elsewhere about plans for a 30mm gun as part of the kit. I'm not sure where that is gonna go, though.

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  2. i thought the 30mm gun was going on the ramp! shows how much i know.

    as far as i know they haven't released any photos of the Harvest Hawk with griffin missiles...only hellfires. i'll check again.

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  3. I'd be crappin' bricks if I was in a huge fuel bloated slow prop plane shooting off missiles! Talk about keeping the back blast area secured!!!

    Those dudes have cojones harder than Chesty Puller's canteen cup.

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  4. The Griffins are 60mm mortar sized things. They go on a launcher on the ramp. You open the ramp in flight to drop. You can't see them from the outside.
    The SOCOM thing was parallel, not a copy, and is arguably better. The TSS sensor in particular is a piece of crap. It was made for helos and doesn't have the resolution for the purpose it is being used in. Remember it caused the Zulu to fail OT twice. It's OK now in the Z, I guess. The whole thing was late, over budget, and under performs. In other words, a typical Lockheed product.
    Future:
    The gun is going to go out the paratroop door.
    The ISR ball will go under the chin, where it belongs. Right now it goes in a modified external tank, which means the other external only has enough fuel to balance the weight. Total fuel goes from 60,000lbs to about 45,000lbs, which reduces it's tanker utility. The Griffin launcher sits on the ramp, which means you can't load any cargo through there. I could go on.
    Sorry to burst your bubble. It's a very compromised system.
    This doesn't mean it's worthless, it just was supposed to be, and could be, so much better for how much cash we shoveled at Lockheed.
    Thanks for letting me vent.

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  5. first time i remember disagree with one of your stances Sgt C but i'm almost positive to the point of betting body parts that the harvest hawk was started before the SOCOM variant. more info coming.

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  6. Did a quick google search, earliest news release of the Marines committing to the Harvest Hawk was in May, 2009.

    http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/05/marine_kc130weapons_053009w/

    Earliest mention of the Air Force MC-130W "Dragon Spear" was also in May, 2009.

    http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/05/airforce_afsoc_gunships_051409/

    The Dragon Spear news came out just ahead of the Harvest Hawk data, but for all intensive purposes news of both programs was revealed around the same time.

    I think AFSOC already had this in mind should the acquisition of the AC-27's they wanted fall through. It did, and they promptly opted to upgrade the Combat Spears instead.

    I doubt one service really "copied" the other. They both likely collaberated on the initial studies for the project, resulting in very similiar yet different weapons systems.

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  8. yeah i know...but the idea of developing a kit to turn a tanker into a gunship is new.

    admit that i'm right.

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  9. And just fyi, the idea of launching hellfires of hercs has been around for a while. A hellfire was first test-launched from one in 2002.

    These sites have some good info. on it.

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?161904-C-130-Hercules-firing-AGM-114-Hellfire

    http://www.1370th.org/rc130/512/512.htm

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  10. please note that the institution that conducted those tests was the Naval Surface Warfare Division.

    Hardly USAF and hardly SOCOM.

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  11. Yeah, NAVSURF tested that stuff back then, didn't really go anywhere. There was also a drone they dropped out the back. It was in a little box and it popped out after it cleared the ramp. It was kind of cool. Don't know why it died.

    Also, see the date on that story? May 09? HH didn't even exist then and the USMC had already bought it. Without any testing. Because Trautman is an ... Well, you fill in the blank.

    Again, it works. Again, it could be much better. The spiral 2 planes will be different (moving the turret among other things). Spiral 3 is the gun, I think.

    And, no turning the USMC KC-130 into an ersatz gunship is not new. I remember the idea being seriously kicked around back in 1992.

    Have you ever seen the float plane proposal? Hell, we could have a float plane gunship now.

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  12. Whoever came up with the idea I like it, taking what you have and making it more flexible would seem never to be a bad idea

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  14. The Naval Surface Warfare Division often conducts tests that have implications for multiple services.

    But yes, the idea of arming a tanker is a relatively new idea. Even if the idea goes back to 1992, in the defense buisness that's still pretty quik to go from "Maybe we can do this" to actually fielding a platform.

    @Sgt_C: The uav idea probably died because it's purpose was to find targets for the 130's hellfire missiles. I guess they figured they could do the same by putting the sensor turret direct on the 130.

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