it is not as unlikely as it sounds,read the European Union's Common Foreign and Security Policy and the Helsinki Headline Goals. Did you know Denmark now has sealift ships?
by my count there are 5 nations with an expeditionary mindset and capability.
1. UK 2. France 3. Netherlands 4. Italy 5. Spain
by my count there are a few more with the national will to participate in overseas contingencies (in addition to the above)
1. Romania 2. Poland 3. Georgia
long story short, i don't see Germany having the national will, naval capability or even desire to fully participate in any seabase, US, NATO or EU inspired.
i stick to my guns on this one. this is vapor ware by the German Navy. they are what they are...an anti-access force with no expeditionary capability and no funding/national will/ability to do anything else.
hey Sol, do you know the status of the Germany navy now, with regards to capabilities, doctrine, etc? its never been a nation focus on naval capabilities except submarine warfare.
i've just been observing from this side of the Atlantic but i can confidently state that they have innovators in that branch of their military.
they have advanced non nuclear sub tech, they have an outstanding anti-air frigate almost on par with the Burke class just smaller and they have the hallmarks of an outstanding service.
but they're German.
and the Germans have never been big fans of naval forces. to be honest they remind me of the Soviet Union in makeup and mindset. mainly coastal forces and they're having to claw and scratch for every dime.
thats why i think that this German Seabasing Concept is bogus.
I didnt know about the frigates Sol but i have heard alot about their subs, they have been selling many new diesels to nations, it seems their diesels are almost the standard today in the west when it comes a non-nuke. If i remember correctly, when Taiwan wanted subs we turned to the germans to build them because Taiwan wanted non-nuke but this was a while back.
@Drake1: Yea they retired their coastal Type 206/206A class boats (18 in all) and replaced them with some Type 212 (4+2 building).
@Joe: The Type 214 is a hot seller so far (nowhere near the type 209 it replaces though). Basically its a larger down graded Type 212. Greece and South Korea had some problems with them (high noise levels), and it looks like Greece might be giving future boats a pass.
Hello Solomon,
ReplyDeleteit is not as unlikely as it sounds,read the European Union's Common Foreign and Security Policy and the Helsinki Headline Goals.
Did you know Denmark now has sealift ships?
GrandLogistics.
hey Grand Logistics.
ReplyDeleteby my count there are 5 nations with an expeditionary mindset and capability.
1. UK
2. France
3. Netherlands
4. Italy
5. Spain
by my count there are a few more with the national will to participate in overseas contingencies (in addition to the above)
1. Romania
2. Poland
3. Georgia
long story short, i don't see Germany having the national will, naval capability or even desire to fully participate in any seabase, US, NATO or EU inspired.
i stick to my guns on this one. this is vapor ware by the German Navy. they are what they are...an anti-access force with no expeditionary capability and no funding/national will/ability to do anything else.
hey Sol, do you know the status of the Germany navy now, with regards to capabilities, doctrine, etc? its never been a nation focus on naval capabilities except submarine warfare.
ReplyDeletei've just been observing from this side of the Atlantic but i can confidently state that they have innovators in that branch of their military.
ReplyDeletethey have advanced non nuclear sub tech, they have an outstanding anti-air frigate almost on par with the Burke class just smaller and they have the hallmarks of an outstanding service.
but they're German.
and the Germans have never been big fans of naval forces. to be honest they remind me of the Soviet Union in makeup and mindset. mainly coastal forces and they're having to claw and scratch for every dime.
thats why i think that this German Seabasing Concept is bogus.
Didn't the German's decommission some subs not too long ago?
ReplyDeletei think so but they upgraded at the same time. i think they were simply canning archaic gear.
ReplyDeleteI didnt know about the frigates Sol but i have heard alot about their subs, they have been selling many new diesels to nations, it seems their diesels are almost the standard today in the west when it comes a non-nuke. If i remember correctly, when Taiwan wanted subs we turned to the germans to build them because Taiwan wanted non-nuke but this was a while back.
ReplyDelete@Drake1: Yea they retired their coastal Type 206/206A class boats (18 in all) and replaced them with some Type 212 (4+2 building).
ReplyDelete@Joe: The Type 214 is a hot seller so far (nowhere near the type 209 it replaces though). Basically its a larger down graded Type 212. Greece and South Korea had some problems with them (high noise levels), and it looks like Greece might be giving future boats a pass.