First, I'd say it's obvious a government has to think on the backflow of currency in big contracts. Unless workers, real state rent, material... is tax-free, you kind of "discount" that from your total cost. Making that public would mean educating your voters, though, andI don't see politicos doing it.
Second, I've been at Embraer's site repeatedly for the last... year and a half or so. Some of their marketing raises my hackles a bit. Some tricks are common, but still... Is their mid-size transport/tanker really going to be able to fly ISO containers at 50 mil?
I'm tired of footing the bill and getting shafted by the world, then listening to them laughing their butts off. If we don't get smart and learn to protect ourselves and our manufacturing base, we'll lose it. And we should, if we're that dumb. This is really a no-brainer - I can't believe that the Kansas congressional delegation isn't out there trying to influence this decision.
i know sol you are going to hate me saying this again but i think what Marcase was getting at is all of these companies arent just in one country, we buy from BAE all the time, and they are british, the HSV swift is made by Incat, which is tasmania australia, and Austal paired with general dynamics to make LCS-2 which is based in australia. Today countries dont stop at borders, its a very interconnected web. now i agree with the above video, think the AT-6 is good, and if we can create 500 jobs here thats great. ok just my 1.32 cents worth.
how do you equal compromise to surrender? i think marcase is simply pointing out the intracies of the market today. i have seen you post and appluad many systems from BAE even though they are british.
well our nation was forged on compromise, our entire constitution was a document which our founding fathers compromised on how to make the best government, its ok to have a civil discussion and meet someone in the middle.
LOL "My" Euro thinking... Sol, bud, you should know by now that I serve the Kingdom of the Netherlands and not some Euro federation.
(Btw the Netherlands was the ninth-largest direct foreign investor in the US in 2009. In 2008, the Netherlands was the largest (...) direct foreign investor in the United States)
And my true color is Royal Orange :)
Joe got it. I was just (trying) to say that whenever you say Buy American that 10%-25% is usually owned by a foreign firm, be it Britain, Canada or China.
compromise would have been the colonies reaching an agreement with England to preserve what was already in place.
Marcase. wrong.
don't confuse the flow of money with what makes a company domestic or not.
its about production facilities. if that wasn't the case then why isn't the President of the US flying in a European Helicopter right now. because it wasn't domestic. he might be a socialist but he knows that many Americans aren't ready for his brand of thinking. Joe might. most of my friends? NO>>>>HELL NO!
Austal USA had to establish production facilities here, hiring US workers here.
it couldn't just build ships in Australia and ship them here for "reassembly"
i am talking post-war sol, read about teh constitutional convention, the articles of confederation had failed, the make up of our legislature was decided based on a compromise called the Connecticut Compromise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Compromise. i think we will be banned at some point marcase :)
compromise is weakness. if i could i would've banned you along time ago Joe.
you amuse me at times though....but you're right....if i could i'd have banned you and Thomas along time ago. Blogger won't let me. and i don't have time to vet every statement.
Marcase? i know what he's about. middle ground always. you and him will get along quite well.
is the fact that you're protected by the internet that so many people talk shit on it?
i would honestly (and i don't know you)...dare you and the other trolls on here to talk shit to my face that you all dare to over this type communication.
i would literally body slam half the people that i encounter on these pages and buy a cold beer for the other half.
quite honestly, you and others make this unpleasant.
if you don't like my blog then PLEASE carry your ass elsewhere.
i would have no problems having an honest conversation with people and debating issues, whether online or person to person. its not coincidence that the freedom of speech is one of the first rights in the constitutions bill of rights.
it doesnt affect my sensibilities. they arent barbaric i just dont agree with you, thats a perfectly reasonable thing to happen in a democracy. i like reading your posts, i just like to have good debates, hoping to have honest debates with intelligent people on military issues. you have a great blog and i do like reading your post, along with frequent commenters like marcase and grand logistics.
Two things:
ReplyDeleteFirst, I'd say it's obvious a government has to think on the backflow of currency in big contracts. Unless workers, real state rent, material... is tax-free, you kind of "discount" that from your total cost. Making that public would mean educating your voters, though, andI don't see politicos doing it.
Second, I've been at Embraer's site repeatedly for the last... year and a half or so. Some of their marketing raises my hackles a bit. Some tricks are common, but still... Is their mid-size transport/tanker really going to be able to fly ISO containers at 50 mil?
Take care.
I'm tired of footing the bill and getting shafted by the world, then listening to them laughing their butts off. If we don't get smart and learn to protect ourselves and our manufacturing base, we'll lose it. And we should, if we're that dumb. This is really a no-brainer - I can't believe that the Kansas congressional delegation isn't out there trying to influence this decision.
ReplyDeleteBuy American is great, just remember that the AT-6 is a modified (Swiss) Pilatus PC-9 and powered by a Pratt & Whitney Canada PT-6.
ReplyDeletehawker bought the plans on the pilatus, p&W is a us company with a canadian tag and the plant is in the US.
ReplyDeletehit me with some more nonsense Marcase.
i know sol you are going to hate me saying this again but i think what Marcase was getting at is all of these companies arent just in one country, we buy from BAE all the time, and they are british, the HSV swift is made by Incat, which is tasmania australia, and Austal paired with general dynamics to make LCS-2 which is based in australia. Today countries dont stop at borders, its a very interconnected web. now i agree with the above video, think the AT-6 is good, and if we can create 500 jobs here thats great. ok just my 1.32 cents worth.
ReplyDeletePratt & Whitney, CT, USA - builds large jet engines (including the F135), but is *not* involved in the AT-6 program.
ReplyDeletePratt & Whitney CANADA -
Head Office and Main Manufacturing Facility
(where the PT-6 is constructed, its workers live, and taxes are paid)
1000 Marie-Victorin Blvd.
Longueuil, Quebec
J4G 1A1 Canada
Hawker Beechcraft is also owned by Onex, a Canadian private equity investor.
www.onex.com/Assets/PDFs/259_2.pdf
Just saying.
uh wrong cowboy. its called a subsidiary. you can spin your euro thinking if you want but i'm not changing my mind.
ReplyDeleteyou've already shown your true colors Marcase.
compromise .... surrender.
not me cowboy.
America first.
how do you equal compromise to surrender? i think marcase is simply pointing out the intracies of the market today. i have seen you post and appluad many systems from BAE even though they are british.
ReplyDeletebecause in my world compromise equals surrender.
ReplyDeleteit means yielding because you don't have the power to push through or the fortitude to perservere.
it stinks of weakness. the kind of weakness i smell coming off Europe and i'm starting to smell on my country.
America first.
don't like it, then comment on another blog.
well our nation was forged on compromise, our entire constitution was a document which our founding fathers compromised on how to make the best government, its ok to have a civil discussion and meet someone in the middle.
ReplyDeleteLOL "My" Euro thinking... Sol, bud, you should know by now that I serve the Kingdom of the Netherlands and not some Euro federation.
ReplyDelete(Btw the Netherlands was the ninth-largest direct foreign investor in the US in 2009. In 2008, the Netherlands was the largest (...) direct foreign investor in the United States)
And my true color is Royal Orange :)
Joe got it. I was just (trying) to say that whenever you say Buy American that 10%-25% is usually owned by a foreign firm, be it Britain, Canada or China.
Cheers
wrong Joe.
ReplyDeletecompromise would have been the colonies reaching an agreement with England to preserve what was already in place.
Marcase. wrong.
don't confuse the flow of money with what makes a company domestic or not.
its about production facilities. if that wasn't the case then why isn't the President of the US flying in a European Helicopter right now. because it wasn't domestic. he might be a socialist but he knows that many Americans aren't ready for his brand of thinking. Joe might. most of my friends? NO>>>>HELL NO!
Austal USA had to establish production facilities here, hiring US workers here.
it couldn't just build ships in Australia and ship them here for "reassembly"
please spare me this globalist nonsense.
i am talking post-war sol, read about teh constitutional convention, the articles of confederation had failed, the make up of our legislature was decided based on a compromise called the Connecticut Compromise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Compromise. i think we will be banned at some point marcase :)
ReplyDeletei'm talking compromise fruitcake.
ReplyDeletecompromise is weakness. if i could i would've banned you along time ago Joe.
you amuse me at times though....but you're right....if i could i'd have banned you and Thomas along time ago. Blogger won't let me. and i don't have time to vet every statement.
Marcase? i know what he's about. middle ground always. you and him will get along quite well.
i hear they need extra commenters over at ARES.
well if you hate my comments here you would go crazy at the posts on my facebook page, HAHA :)
ReplyDeleteis the fact that you're protected by the internet that so many people talk shit on it?
ReplyDeletei would honestly (and i don't know you)...dare you and the other trolls on here to talk shit to my face that you all dare to over this type communication.
i would literally body slam half the people that i encounter on these pages and buy a cold beer for the other half.
quite honestly, you and others make this unpleasant.
if you don't like my blog then PLEASE carry your ass elsewhere.
i would have no problems having an honest conversation with people and debating issues, whether online or person to person. its not coincidence that the freedom of speech is one of the first rights in the constitutions bill of rights.
ReplyDeleteyou're either ignoring the point or evading it.
ReplyDeleteyou behave as if my ideas are barbaric and foreign to you.
i accept that. i just wonder why you keep coming back if it so affects your sensibilities.
it doesnt affect my sensibilities. they arent barbaric i just dont agree with you, thats a perfectly reasonable thing to happen in a democracy. i like reading your posts, i just like to have good debates, hoping to have honest debates with intelligent people on military issues. you have a great blog and i do like reading your post, along with frequent commenters like marcase and grand logistics.
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