Read sections 1031 and 1032 of the Defense Authorization Bill.
Let me put it like this. Both Right winger and Left wingers are up in arms and alarmed by the language. I've said it before and I'll say it again. McCain's use by date has expired (Levin's too).
Time to put that guy out to pasture!
I'm in the preparedness community. FEMA says have 7 days of food and water. I have a bit more. You believe in the Constitution. I'm in love with the 2nd Amendment. You say republican, I say Conservative.
Just sayin.
Let me put it like this. Both Right winger and Left wingers are up in arms and alarmed by the language. I've said it before and I'll say it again. McCain's use by date has expired (Levin's too).
Time to put that guy out to pasture!
The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.Full disclosure.
The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
I'm in the preparedness community. FEMA says have 7 days of food and water. I have a bit more. You believe in the Constitution. I'm in love with the 2nd Amendment. You say republican, I say Conservative.
Just sayin.
Wtf. I really don't know how I would react if given that order. We have law enforcement and national guard for a reason. I'm trained to be used against the enemy's of America not the people who live in it. Both Sen Cornyn and Sen Hutchison are getting phone calls and emails from me.
ReplyDeleteyou all do realize American Citizens and resident aliens are excluded from this right? from the bill:
ReplyDelete(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
i may not agree with this text but it doesnt give sweeping powers the military will exercise within the US, also posse comitatus is still in force.
show me your copy...i read the damn thing and that must be an adjustment to news coverage.
ReplyDeletehttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:
ReplyDeletego to the website thomas.loc.gov and then search S.1867, also you can search opencongress.org, they might have it. the bill is quite long given how much it covers but if you search detainee you will find the section.
some other sources:
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/feinstein-in-the-news?ContentRecord_id=4a1eab28-e433-4652-91a9-962e8942abdb
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/18/senate-democrat-rebuts-white-house-on-detainee-policy/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/national-security/senate-panel-fails-to-mollify-administration-on-detainee-policies/2011/11/15/gIQAsjYbPN_story.html
some do seem to be concerned about US citizens but i think that would be a step too far for any admin, they would hand them over to a civilian court.
i disagree.
ReplyDeletethis admin is clearly fearful of its citizenry as are all politicians. this is a symptom worldwide of all govts at this time. something is brewing worldwide and it won't be sunshine and roses before all is said and done.
question.
why would someone as far right as Ron Paul and as far left as the ACLU be up in arms if there wasn't something to this????
well i think both see this as a slippery slope, i am not saying its right, dont get me wrong, but you have the US constitution which forbids detention without representation, charges, etc. The only question to this might be if they are caught on foreign soil. Remember its the senate that wants to force people into military custody, the president wants the ability to put them in civilian courts.
ReplyDeleteJoe, under the patriot act your rights disappear. Easy to slip this in with that in mind
ReplyDeletewow. great analogy. and we were warned about the patriot act but still many wanted security more than liberty.
ReplyDeletei listen to the guy on the tv show hardball and i'm amazed at people that depend on others to protect them (i'm talking about healthy full grown men)...that guy has pussy written on his forehead and loves it.
well there are parts of the patriot act that are harmful and i agree should be repealed (i.e. National Security Letters) but the supreme court has pushed back against alot of the administrations (i use plural to include Bush and Obama) large executive power. although Obama has been pushing for civilian courts to take a stronger role but congress doesn't want any of the Gitmo people on US soil even if its a federal prison. there are issues but civil liberties do still exist and the supreme court is willing to push back on the admin so it will be a huge discussion in the coming years on freedom/security but i don't see it collapsing our democracy.
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