Thursday, January 12, 2012

Two viewpoints on the "pissing" Snipers...

I've been watching the 'pissing' Sniper coverage to see how the news breaks on the subject.  Predictably, the Pentagon and HQMC is going bonkers.

Condemning the actions.

Calling this a breakdown in discipline and a lapse in morals.

They ignore the atrocities committed by our enemies.  They ignore the facts of life.  They dismiss the failures of our National Command Authority in spelling out a clear path to victory.

But I found these two authors to be most compelling.  First up is Lex.  Love the guy.  He has a way of cutting through bullshit and hitting at the heart of the issue in a straightforward unapologetic way.  Read his post here but check out this tidbit....
The Taliban, with their indiscriminate murders and their cowardly tactics, have probably earned a very great deal of enmity from those who have been grappling with them for going on eleven years now. The danger when good men confront evil is that, over time, they may become what they beheld.
None of the foregoing is meant to excuse.
But it may help to explain.
Compare the Lex post with this tripe from BattleRattle.  I don't know whether I love or hate these guy.  The author continuously (in my opinion) touts his embedding with Marines as a cause celeb.  He gives me the impression that because he was on these embeds that he speaks with a Marines voice.  He doesn't.  But read his "article" here and check out this part....
In March 2008, a video surfaced of a Marine throwing a puppy off a cliff in Iraq. It sparked widespread outrage, including among active-duty Marines. Nearly everyone likes a cute puppy, after all.
In this case, the “puppy” is a dead insurgent — and he probably wasn’t so innocent. Consequently, many readers already have downplayed the significance of the event, even if it becomes a Taliban recruiting tool, reflects poorly on the Corps as a whole or harms the war effort in Afghanistan.
Already today, military leadership has responded swiftly to make it clear they won’t tolerate it. Amos said the service “will not rest until the allegations and the events surrounding them have been resolved.” Defense Secretary Leon Panetta called the actions depicted “utterly deplorable,” while stressing that the origins and authenticity of the video was not yet confirmed.
That’s very unambiguous, but the message clearly hasn’t reached those defending these Marines — even though very few service members would even dream of recording a video like this.
How does the U.S. military reinforce to rank-and-file troops that just because insurgents don’t fight fair doesn’t mean our country’s ethics can be thrown out the window in combat?
What a load of self serving bullshit.

Any Commander that allows someone like the writers at Marine Times to embed is making a mistake.

Any Marine that grants interviews to these self serving glory hounds needs to have a wall to wall wake up call.

Two different views of an incident.  One spot on.  The other WAAAAAAAAAY off the mark.

PS.


IF I EMPTY A FULL MAGAZINE INTO THE BODY OF A BAD GUY, I WILL FACE NO PUNISHMENT.  IF I STAND OVER THAT SAME TERRORIST AND TAKE A PISS THE WHOLE WORLD GOES CRAZY.  ITS A WEIRD WORLD!

4 comments :

  1. If you piss on the enemy, don't get caught.

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  2. weird. you can put a 50 cal bullet into a bad guys head. no problem.

    but if you stand over their dead body and take a piss the whole world goes crazy.

    we live in some weird times.

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  3. Either the Marines in the picture were unaware that things like this help enemy recruitment, is against the UCMJ, and/or were too stupid to both take video and get caught.

    It's fairly clear that many people either don't care or sympathize with soldiers pissing on the enemy they just killed. It's not however good public relations and nobody should be surprised why it's not.

    The whole world isn't going crazy; however, that part of the world that does go crazy over things like cartoons can hardly help itself from over reacting to anything. The proper response of course would have been printing more cartoons every single day till they got over themselves but that's not the world we live in. All that aside it's not the image portrayed of the US military that the nation wants either.

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  4. Sol, that's because shooting an enemy falls under the laws of war, and desecrating his corpse doesn't. What those Marines did in Afghanistan violates the rules of how combatants are supposed to act and, even worse, represents a breakdown of discipline. Marines have to act like adults, even in the heat of battle. Sorry, but that's how it is, no matter how weird the times are. They and their officer need to be brought up on charges.

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