Thanks for the link Joe!
China Defense Mashup is speculating that the mystery fighter on the rails is actually a new stealth fighter...the F-60! Go here to check it out!
*If this is actually a new fighter then Navy and Air Force plans for modernization just got binned! We will have to come up with a new plan and quick.
*It dawned on me that if this is true then the British should be patting themselves on the back and handing out sales brochures for the meteor missile. Ratheon should be busting butt to develop a new family of air to air missiles too. Interesting times...I can't wait to see this verified!
While we waste money on sand wars in a region that will always be unstable, China is putting in place the pieces for future dominance. The French and the Brits were bleed dry by exorbitant activities in the Middle East, and the same is now happening to us.
ReplyDeleteyeah but we have a few advantages if we get our act together now. what worries me are the forever war fools like McCain that hasn't seen an intervention that he didn't like.
ReplyDeleteInteresting possibility. And just in time for summer when they do most of their airplane testing.
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know the scale model of the F-60 was revealed about 9 months ago and I'm not sure there is any evidence it's an actual program and if so if it's even hit technology demonstration. Aircraft in full scale production is one issue and scale models quite another.
ReplyDeleteOne day China will be able to build a world class fighter including all the required systems, engines, etc. They're not there yet and it's a matter of debate if they're one or two decades behind the F-35.
Negative. In terms of complicated military technology, china can learn how to copy the technology to near specifications but can't innovate and create the next level of evolution. Their entire system is plagued with this and it stems from their communist system. Can you name anything China has uniquely produced successfully and then sold on the international market? None. There is nothing uniquely chinese. In their school systems, the talented and different kids are weeded out at a very young age and retaught how to be a drone. The same thing in Iran, if you are different you are an infection and threat to the system.
DeleteBTW, This plane is likely a close copy of the F22 and F35, but vastly inferior, both have been compromised for years by Chinese espionage. If we are having this much difficulty developing our own 5th gen fighers then China is light years away. Don't let appearances fool you, the J-20 for instance is a flying duck boat.
http://defensetech.org/2012/06/25/maybe-this-really-is-chinas-new-stealth-jet/
You realize your talking about the people who invented gunpowder, paper, and who were sailing from the coast of China to the Arabian peninsula when Europe though the earth was flat, right? They copy quite a bit, but they are very smart. Remember, the greatest mistake a commander can make is underestimating his enemy. Just ask the Japanese at Midway.
DeleteUS Air Force has all ready begun a competition to replace AMRAAM/HARM with a single missile and the Navy has a program beginning soon to replace the F/A-18 Super Hornet with a 6th Generation Stealth Aircraft which the Air Force may join. How is that for getting ahead of the problem?
ReplyDeletenot quite good enough. the AMRAAM/HARM replacement is an evolutionary design that might not cut it anymore considering the opposition. its one thing to launch from stealth aircraft against non-stealthy high performance aircraft....its another to have to fight at long range---other stealthy airplanes. my thought is that the AMRAAM replacement might have to be scrapped and rethought.
ReplyDeletethe 6th generation fighter for the Navy won't hit ships decks before 2030 at best....at worst it will be later...much later.
the real answer to all this is a question. IS THE US ARMY AND MARINE CORPS PREPARED TO FIGHT AND WIN BATTLES AND WARS IN CONDITIONS WHERE AIR SUPERIORITY IS NOT A GIVEN?
IS THE US ARMY AND MARINE CORPS PREPARED TO FIGHT AND WIN BATTLES AND WARS IN CONDITIONS WHERE AIR SUPERIORITY IS NOT A GIVEN?
DeleteHell no. That's the only reason we won in Desert Storm. Take away air support and we're naked as a newborn baby.
You vastly underestimate our superior training and battlefield tactics.
DeleteThe AMRAAM/HARM replacement has been cancelled several different times. Meteor's extra range is only useful if you can detect the target at that range. If you can use it's full range against this mockup it sure as shit ain't a stealth aircraft. The USN's 6th gen isn't much more than a paper plane at this time. In short, we've seen a wrapped up something on a trailer and a model. Notice this "trailer" pretty much did a grand tour specifically to elicit exactly the response seen here. I don't think it's time to start pissing our pants yet.
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DeleteAnd in answer to, "IS THE US ARMY AND MARINE CORPS PREPARED TO FIGHT AND WIN BATTLES AND WARS IN CONDITIONS WHERE AIR SUPERIORITY IS NOT A GIVEN?"
ReplyDeleteYou'll have to forgive me, I'm still wiping the tears of laughter out of my eyes. Neither service has a decent mobile SAM system. (Patriot ain't mobile despite it's wheels.) We have the pieces to build a system but since the politicians seem to think air superiorty is a God-given part of American DNA they'll never see the need.
What do expect? Politician aren't exactly the brightest bulbs. Their one mission in life is to get another 2, 4 or 6 years in office.
DeleteThe comments concerning this particular subject in this post so far have only shared information that has already been released in the press and non-industry magazines for some time now. A representation of a 6th Gen Fighter post appeared in this very blog; so if anyone is trying to elicit a cretin response then they will leave this blog sadly disappointed.
ReplyDeletePowerpoints are easy. Wake me when they do something more substantial.
DeleteThe USN's 6th gen is a paper plane right now. Get back to me when it's something more. (They don't even have a mockup to drive around the country on a trailer.)
Deletewhen looking at this post in the other blog i was wondering what possible use this plane would have. The J20 looks to be more suited a long-range strike fighter bomber (e.g. F111) type aircraft. This would fit into their operational needs, long range naval strike aircraft, going in with hard to see plane, low and can evade our fighter cover and long range missile systems if they attacked our fleet or allied fleets in the south china sea. this aircraft looks far more likely to be a conventional F22 air dominance fighter, which will have limitation on range due to smaller size, and they dont need that right now, especially developing two stealths when they have never fielded stealth before (we have since the 80s). i wonder how much of this is propaganda, was what was under there meant to be the shape of a stealth to scare the crap out of the people in the E-Ring? maybe force countries like the Philippines, India, Vietnam, Australia and stuff to be less aggressive or take a united stance against their expansion in the south china sea.
ReplyDeleteBTW i completely agree we have no true mobile air defense mechanisms, which is very disappointing, i was disappointed the SLAMRAAM was cancelled but remember the HIMARS can launch surface to air missiles so if we had to we could load those up but training them to use it and a good radar to detect from the ground incoming aircraft needs to be there, see http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2009/MFC_032509_LockheedMartinsHIMARSLauncher.html, but interesting discussion issues none the less.
"We don't need mobile SAMs. We always have air superiority." It'll take a SCUD hitting a barracks massacre to wake the politicians up. Then we might have something ready a couple decades after that. Notice how much got poured into missile defense after Desert Storm?
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2009/march/LockheedMartinsHIMARSLaun.html
SLAMRAAM is completely inadequate for battlefield air defense. Something like a mobile ESSM/PAC-3 MSE/AIM-9X is what's needed.
ReplyDeleteTHE NAVY HAS DEVELOPED A WORKING RAIL GUN.
ReplyDeleteAT PRESENT IT WILL SEND A PROJECTILE 450 MILES IN 7 MINUTES WITH THE IMPACT OF A 2 TON CAR GOING OVER 200 MPH. ONCE PERFECTED IT WILL BE FAR SUPERIOR TO A MISSILE. THIS IS DONE WITHOUT EXPLOSIVES, MAKING IT MUCH SAFER FOR OUR TROOPS AND SHIPS.
SMALLER VERSIONS CAN BE MOUNTED ON THE BACK OF A HUMMER FOR LAND USE AGAINST TANKS ETC.
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