Alert 5 posted these pics of a new Chinese cargo plane. Take a good look at it...
Now remember that the Chinese have a knack for taking Western designs and scaling them up and remember the KC-390 built by Embraer. Doesn't fit you say? Well think back to the first designs that were put forward around 2005-06..
Yeah that's right boys and girls. The new Chinese plane looks alot like the KC-390 with a bigger fuselage and a couple more engines.
We HAVE GOT to get a handle on Chinese industrial espionage.
We HAVE GOT to get a handle on Chinese industrial espionage.
Hmm..me thinks it looks a lot more like a McDonnell Douglas YC-15. In fact it looks exactly like that..much more so than the KC-390
ReplyDeletetotally different profile and it had a t-tail. you're wanting to be argumentative this morning. if i said it looked like the YC-15 then you'd have picked another airplane.
Deletelook at the picture, look at the early C-390 and then look at the YC-15.
Not arguing dude, just observing. It does have a T-tail, just very blurry picture so difficult to see. The vertical stabilizer design is meant for t-tails. In any case, why are we arguing? damn commies stole the design no matter where it came from...but who is going to stand up and do anything about it? No one has the balls to even tell them their ridiculous island dibs game is bullshit...
DeleteProblem is Sol, how do you get a handle on this kind of thing? Manufacturers at all levels have tried, the Chinese just don't listen. In terms of military espionage, either the Russians become desperate and tacitly let the Chinese copy the few examples they pay for from Russia, or the Chinese just try and steal data like the F35 debacle.
ReplyDeleteOne up side is that it does show a lack of innovation on the part of the Chinese, which means they are poorly placed to ever gain a technical advantage over the West, at best a stolen parity is possible. If you look at this nation that has managed to create ballistic missiles, aircraft carriers and stealth fighters, almost all of the major tech was stolen and/or bought off someone else for copying. That's why a nation with ICBMs still can't build a decent jet engine, they create nothing themselves.
If you place that kind of thinking into a major war scenario, in the past you saw the likes of the USA, the UK, Germany and Russia, all innovating massively and rapidly to gain advantages over a major foe, which has created some wonderful and strange technologies over the years that have helped substantially, something I doubt the Chinese could keep up with given their current way of doing business.
well personally i'd like to see every free nation in the world declare a 25% Chinese excise tax on goods imported from that country. we created the monster that is china and we can put it back into its cage. all we have to do is either force the consumer to stop buying chinese products OR we make it unprofitable for western companies to make a profit from building their widgets there.
DeleteFirst you would have to line CEOs of every mayor company against the wall and have them shoot, most companies took their manufacturing from US and brought it to China, it was just a question of time before they developed their own industries ,but unlike US companies that went there for a quick buck Chinese were in for the long haul.
DeleteCargo planes all look more or less the same as the all do the same job and form follows function , this idea of copying is more of a fell good fiction than fact. before China everything Soviets did was labeled as a copy.
Sol, wouldn't stop them copying goods for Chinese use. Most of the stuff they copy is for use within China, remember 1 in 6 people on the planet live there and they have the largest and growing middle class on the planet, nice big consumer market there to make it worth it. Plus there simply isn't enough labour or manufacturing in the rest of the world to cover the shortfall of goods not doing business with China would cause. And to rectify that would lead to quite huge costs for us in the West, lead to a large shortfall in electronic goods in the short term until manufacturing is set up elsewhere AND that tax you suggest would push up the cost of goods in the west, essentially placing that tax burden on us in the West (something I never expected a die hard Republican such as yourself to suggest given the stance of most Republicans in Congress currently). Oh and that doesn't even mention breaking every rule in the WTO book....(which was largely written by the USA to keep it on top).
ReplyDelete...Thats all the issues I thought of in 1 minute.
It is different from the KC-390 in that is in a totally different class. The Embraer aircraft is in the league of the C-130 while this aircraft is in the league of the IL-76 and C-17. It has 4x DK-30 engines (same on IL-76). If it were anything remotely in class and size to the Embraer design then it is seriously overpowered.
ReplyDeleteThe Chinese have a project for a modern C-130 class aircraft called the Y-9 which appears to be in service/advanced level of testing right now after years of development. We have known for years that the Y-20 will be a heavy transport. In short, no this is not a Chinese knock-off. You can't simply double the KC-390 specifications and add two more engines.It is an aircraft and not a Lego toy.
Totally agree,you got the point.
DeleteDavid Cenciotti has a good post on this over at The Aviationist where he points out that it looks like an A-400 with the nose of an AN-70 and is probably at least partially based off of classified C-17 data that a Boeing engineer sold to China (he was convicted in 2009). Bottom line is that all cargo planes tend to look alike except for some of the more airliner like Anatovs(AN-24, AN-32).
ReplyDeleteIt looks like a blend of IL-76, AN-70 and C-17.
ReplyDeleteIt has a Kawasaki look and smell. The trucks rate at the C17/A400/AN70/C2 load out. I have always suspected that the Kawasaki C2 is documented carrying feathers. Bulked out, not loaded out.
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