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| KAI is currently conducting final negotiations with the Philippines for the sale of 12 FA-50 aircraft at a cost of PHP18.9bn ($463.3m), to help the country's air force to counter airborne threats and also train its pilots on supersonic high-performance weapons platforms. |
Tuesday, May 07, 2013
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With the Philippines, The super tucano would have been the quickest and easiest sale for any military salesman. The Philippines could have easily picked up a squadron or two of Super Tucano's for Pilot training and COIN/CAS aircraft
ReplyDeleteWell, it's not like the Philippines don't have other assets to fight their rebels. And how long has it been since they retired their last F-5s.
ReplyDeleteactually they don't ... its really kind of depressing because they have some good guys and are very innovative but they're making do with some really ancient gear. they're still using LVTP-5's...ov-10's...old huey's and the F-5's were retired awhile ago. they actually need someone in our Defense Dept to put together a serious military aid package and get them so real good hand me downs from our military. hell thye could even use some of our MRAPs as personnel carriers.
DeleteFunny that Obama gives Egypt F-16s and Abrams tanks but can't help out the Philippines with a few hand me down F-16s.
DeleteThe Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) does not have the funds to operate and maintain anything with a microchip in it.
DeleteAfter the Vietnam war, how many UH-1B/UH-1H have the US Government given to the AFP? Over 200. How many of these are flying? 0. This is why there's less than 24 UH-1B/H that can fly in the Philippines. Most of the time, they are being used by crooked politicians and generals as a "personal" taxi in and out to their estates and property holdings.
@Nicky: You're a bad salesman if it takes a minimum of a Super Tucano to sell to AFP. If you know the right people, you can even sell a squadron of replica Tiger Moth and still make a lot of money.
If you all have contacts, tell them to look in the Mindanao region. This is currently a hotbed for anything Muslim extremist in the Philippines. Look at their weapons. Get them to compare them to the list of what the US government has provided. 12 out of 10 will be a direct match. Where do you think these extremists get their weapons? They just simply go up to the gates of the army camp and make an offer to the sentry.
Or better yet, farm off your daughter to one of them and you get an open ticket to their armoury. Sol, please don't laugh. I'm not joking.
A few years ago (in the 90's), a platoon of Philippine Marines walked into an ambush. If memory serves me correct, 14 were killed. Ok, they were all decapitated.
The entire Marine company was in a party. It was hosted by one of the soldier's wife's family. They received word that a Muslim rebel commander was harassing a nearby town. So a platoon left the party to take the town back. Unfortunately, the party that they were in were filled with sympathyzers. Heck, the host was. Yes, the father-in-law of one of the soldiers. Someone tipped off the rebel commander.
Did they send reinforcement? No. Did they send a QRF? No, because the area commander was afraid the chopper will get shot down. They had to wait until the next day with the remainder of the company to recover the cadavers (stripped of their clothes and weapons).
The Philippines is the sick-man-of-asia. No amount of military hardware can save the country. If people think you can't buy loyalty in Afghanistan, then someone needs to seriously look into the Philippines.
Do you guys recall a few weeks ago about this Australian that was held as a hostage in Mindanao for 400-plus days and got released? Look at the photo of him being escorted off the helicopter. Do you see him being escorted by Filipinos? Hell no. He was escorted by two Americans (one of them have a shoulder patch from the 101st AD). Moral Lesson: No one wants to trust anyone from the southern islands of the Philippines.
Apologize for the rant.
Sol,
ReplyDeleteIt's got nothing to do with the product. It's got everything to do with the kickback. How much is it worth in total? Imagine if the kickback is 10% of the ticket price.
Graft and corruption: The Philippines wrote the book about it.
Back in the 80's or 90's, the Philippines wanted to replace the F-5A because they can no longer fly (no parts and metal fatigue) and they choose 14 S211. They flew them for a few years and they started getting crashes because no one knew how to maintain them. The Philippine Air Force-less (PAF) chose the S211 because the decision makers were each given PHP100-mil to sign the deal.
well thats just freaking depressing. not surprising but very depressing. they have soldiers and Marines getting chopped up (literally) by terrorists and they can't get gear because of some fucking politician? typical.
Delete"fuckin' politician"??? Who said I was talking about just the politicians? Everyone was in it! The Generals, the politicians and their families. Everyone!
DeleteThey had the money to buy the S211 but when it comes to maintenance and parts, like spare engines, there was no more money left for those. Hence, the Philippine Government literally gave the S211 to Singapore. Heck, rumour has it that PAF sent the planes to Singapore for maintenance but couldn't pay for it so they told Singapore to just "take it".
Another thing ... How many years, since the US left Subic/Clark, has the Philippines have no jets? It's been years. They even had an evaluation between the Su-24, the Grippen and something else.
ReplyDeleteThe Philippine government was suppose to pay for it by barter: CHICKEN!
Guess what happened? Because there are no kickbacks, no one wanted to sign the contract. The Sweeds and the Russians both left with a bad taste in their mouth.
That's why The Philippine government will continue to be hand strung with kickbacks and corruption. If they want a credible Military, they should have gotten tough on Corruption and maybe do a Putin style cleaning house. When they do clean up their corruption, maybe they can start rebuilding their military with Hardware that can stand up to China or any Nation. As of Right now, The Philippine government is being hand string by kickbacks and corruption and it's going to drag their country down.
ReplyDeleteWhile I'm sympathetic to the Philippines they lost a lot rejecting the base agreements in 1991. Clark and Subic Bay were the largest overseas US military bases and I believe we had 7 other facilities there as well. Not only did we provide significant military assistance but the military to military relationships helped to some degree vis a vis corruption. We also certainly provided an air defense umbrella as well. The large positive impact on the economy was also lost. Long term this doesn't look like a great idea 22 years later.
ReplyDeleteHi Lane,
ReplyDeleteThe Philippine government didn't have the time reject the base agreement back in 91. The US got up and LEFT! A nearby dormant volcano, Mt. Pinatubo blew it's top and dumped megatons of ash all over Clark and Subic.
And then the idiot-of-a-president of the Philippines then wants to raise the rental. So the US government went, "And we got to clean up this crap? No way. I quit!" and they packed up and left. Good on them!
I read somewhere before that before, the US government were sending about US$3.5bil worth of materials (military and non-military) to the Philippines while being able to use Clark, Subic and a few other facilities. After they left, the US government would only send about US$10mil a year.
Now the government is actively courting the US government to return to their old stomping ground. Did you see what the Filipinos did to the compounds after the US forces left? Sad state of affairs.
That's not really accurate. The Aquino government were in favor of the new basing agreement they negotiated with the US but the Phil Senate rejected it late in 1991. Aquino wanted to have a national referendum but their Supreme Court said no so she eventually had no choice but to tell the US to leave in 1992. The US had 7 other bases in the Phil besides Clark and Subic Bay.
ReplyDeletePinatubo blew in June. NAS Cubi Point was back up in two weeks and the dependents that evacuated in June were almost all back on base by Sept. A few days later the Phil Senate voted down the agreement against the wishes of Aquino. Clark was seen initially as a total loss.
This aside the main point is the government of the Phil was reaping considerable benefit from the 9 US bases and closing them all cost them significantly and still does.