Sunday, June 09, 2013

MARSOC to train with 11th MEU? Why? Wasn't the point to get away from the Corps?

via Army Times.
Personnel with the Marine Corps’ special operations force will soon train aboard Navy ships, a step toward returning special operators to sea for the first time in more than a decade, said Commandant Gen. Jim Amos.
Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command will begin training as soon as this fall off the West Coast with the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, out of Camp Pendleton, Calif., said Capt. Eric Flanagan, a Marine spokesman. The mission will be a prototype to prepare MARSOC for a closer relationship with MEUs and their Navy counterparts, Amphibious Ready Groups, Amos said.
Col. Matthew Trollinger, commander of the 11th MEU, said his unit is prepared to conduct its predeployment training “with representation from the special operations community to facilitate planning with Theater Special Operations commands and other spec-ops units.” Doing so will improve the MEU’s support to geographic combatant commanders, he said.
The move comes as MARSOC, established in 2006, assesses its future as forces come out of Afghanistan. This spring, top Marine officials traveled to U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla., for a war game that examined MARSOC’s maritime capabilities and a way forward.
Amos, speaking at a May 29 event in Washington, said Marine officials decided to go forward with the “prototype” training mission involving the MEU. It’s a step toward an arrangement that has similarities to operations in the 1990s, Amos said. At that time, Navy SEALs deployed regularly with MEUs, tackling a host of complex missions.
“Every amphibious ready group/marine expeditionary unit had a team of SEALs on board,” Amos said at the Brookings Institution, an independent think tank in Washington. “In about 2000, 2001, that changed, and it became a function of ‘Well, there are other things,’ and then the war in Iraq broke out, and they became preoccupied. They have not been back aboard naval vessels — except for unique, specific, surgical-type operations — on any kind of routine basis since then.”
The recent war game focused on developing special operations “network integration teams” that can train with MEUs and ARGs prior to deployment, a SOCOM official said.
“While the details of this concept are still being developed, SOCOM is leading a planning effort to deploy SOF Network Integration Teams with West and East Coast-based ARG/MEUs in 2014,” the official said. The 11th MEU is one of those units.
Left to be sorted out is when teams of MARSOC operators will return to the sea — and how that will affect other Marine forces. Raids and other complicated missions at sea have been handled in recent years by other Marines, particularly Force Reconnaissance units. In one high-profile example, a Force Reconnaissance platoon with Pendleton’s 15th MEU was called on in September 2010 to take back the German shipping vessel Magellan Star from Somali pirates. They stormed the vessel without any loss of life.
The commandant at the time, now-retired Gen. James Conway, said afterward that he saw Force Recon as a possible solution going forward in similar future missions. Amos, however, has embraced MARSOC since taking over as commandant. At the Brookings Institution, he said he had “no intention of downsizing special operations,” citing their cost effectiveness and ability to build security and partnerships abroad.
A couple of opinions/facts.

*  SEALs did not deploy regularly with MEUs before 2000.
*  MARSOC & SEALs will be competing not only for missions but also space on amphibs.  Unless MEUs are about to start leaving capabilities on the beach there is only a finite bit of space aboard amphibs.
*  This is indicative of an issue that does not receive alot of attention.  SOCOM requires conventional support.  Not only air but also infantry.  We have submarines that have the transport of Special Ops as part of their mission set but instead these forces are wanting to climb aboard amphibs. Marine leadership should ask if this is the best use of resources.
*  Is this another slap in the face for the LCS?  One of its big selling points was that it could transport and support SOCOM.
*  What about the dedicated Afloat Forward Staging Base?  Isn't that what SOCOM was pushing hard for?  Why the push to teaming with MEUs instead of pushing to get that ship into service as soon as possible?

Something is going on in SOCOM land that I can't quite decipher.  The moves don't make sense from the outside looking in and seem to point to a greater integration with conventional forces instead of their being a bright clear line between them.

As it is now McRaven and his Theater Joint Special Ops Commander just looks like another bureaucracy that will slow down instead of speed up operations...especially if they're operating with instead of independent of conventional forces.

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  1. Well the bigger question is who is going to be your main effort SOCOM or conventional? The MEU have created the MSOC company for far longer than MARSOC has been around.

    MARSOC was created for 2 reasons. In the current wars SOCOM was known for not playing nice with the conventional battlespace owners, conducting raids without so much as a "how do you do" as a courtesy. When the USMC could not get SOCOM to play nice they offered to create MARSOC so it would be Marines operating with and in Marine AOs. This violated the premise of SOCOM in that everyone is SOCOM not Army, Navy or Marines, but for interservice niceness SOCOM played along. The other issue was equipment in that SOCOM has direct access to the treasury department bank account, and the USMC was left out in the cold on selecting the next generation of optics, rifles, ect. The hope being that after SOCOM buys, uses and likes something it will trickle down to the rest of us lowly groundpounders.

    So after these last couple of wars SOCOM is now the darling of pretty much everyone and by attaching the Marines and MEU to the idea of SOCOM in all the heads of congress it assures us a steady funding stream in the future.

    "You cannot cut MV-22s they transport the infantry that supports SOCOM. You cannot cut the F-35B it provides the CAS for SOCOM."

    Just my opinion anyway.

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    1. SOCOM still doesn't play well with others. and this thing with the Maritime Raid Force has me wanting to punch walls.

      Everything is turning into a need for that unit and conventional infantry is expected to carry their water. i mean seriously! why bust your ass and meet high standards as conventional infantry is all you're going to be required to do is pull perimeter duty for MRF or MARSOC? you might as well join the Army or Air Force and live better while getting paid the same.

      the Commandant is a joke with his love affair with MARSOC and the bastard is clearly in over his head.

      i can't wait for the son of a bitch to leave office. i thought Pace was an ass kisser but he has nothing on Amos.

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