Wednesday, June 26, 2013

UK wargames the F-35. As predicted the results are favorable.


Ok.

Lets be honest.  If you script a wargame, 99 times out of 100 you'll find a way for the good guys to win.  For the one time where they lose its to get funding for a new toy.  So when I heard that the UK wargamed the F-35, the results were obvious to me before I even read the article.  The F-35 would be a war winner bringing untold capabilities to the end user.

What we need is General Van Ripper tossing some monkeys into the machinery.  Story via Royal Navy News.
Four F35 Joint Strike Fighters fended off an air attack against the HMS Queen Elizabeth carrier battle group as destroyer HMS Dauntless and ‘eye in the sky’ Sea Kings helped form an aerial shield around the flagship.
Royal Navy air crew and ops rooms teams across the land linked up via simulators to test how they the Fleet of tomorrow would work together in battle.
FOUR F35 Joint Strike Fighters fended off an air attack against the HMS Queen Elizabeth carrier battle group as destroyer HMS Dauntless and ‘eye in the sky’ Sea Kings helped form an aerial shield around the flagship.
For the first time aircrew, operations room teams, scientists and technicians tested how the technology of today’s and tomorrow’s Royal Navy will work together on the battlefield.
They used simulators to link up the Type 45 destroyer, a Sea King, the 65,000-tonne leviathan, and a quartet of the stealth fighters to see how they can share information to defend the Fleet and to direct the F35s on to incoming targets.
Fleet Air Arm, RAF and US Navy pilots ‘flew’ F35s from simulators at BAE’s site in Samlesbury in Lancashire, while two ‘bagger’ aircrew in Culdrose simulated a mission in an Airborne Surveillance and Control Sea King.
On the Isle of Wight, air warfare officers from HMS Duncan were at the controls of the Queen Elizabeth carrier lab, while on Portsdown Hill their counterparts, and fighter controllers, from sister ship HMS Dauntless were doing the same in the Type 45 lab.
The idea was to see whether the reams of data and information the Sea King, Type 45, carrier and four fighters could be passed from helicopter to F35 to ship in real time so decisions could be made and threats eliminated – exactly as would be expected were the Queen Elizabeth battle group on front-line operations.
“Not only does this help the UK customer get their heads around how the F-35 will integrate into operations, but it can also save a lot of time and money,” explained Tony Hall, the BAE F35 programme manager overseeing the trials. “We can identify issues early and fix things at this stage far easier than when the aircraft are built and in operation.”
The simulated link-up was, said Lt Cdr Mark Humphries of the RAF Air Warfare Centre at Waddington, “something we have never been able to do before” and it proved to be “extremely valuable”.


Lt Cdr Jim Blythe, air warfare officer on HMS Dauntless, said the link-up with the other ships and aircraft had really tested the Type 45’s combat system and given the destroyer’s fighter controllers much better understanding of directing the jets; it’s the job of fighter controllers to help guide an aircraft on to a target. “We are in a far better place for working with the F35 when it comes into service,” he said.
Three real F35 evaluation models are currently in UK hands and are being tested in the USA right now. The front-line versions aren’t due to begin trials aboard HMS Queen Elizabeth, which is launched next year, until 2018.
The jump jet – also known as the Lightning II – is the world’s first fifth-generation fighter jet (the Harrier, which it replaces, was third generation) and gives the pilot unparalleled understanding of the world around them.
As for the Type 45s, they can track aircraft up to 250 miles away – one parked in Portsmouth can watch aircraft landing and taking off from Charles de Gaulle, Manchester, or on final approach at Schiphol in Amsterdam. And courtesy of its Sea Viper missile it can take out incoming enemy aircraft or missiles up to 70 miles away.


And the baggers can track targets in the air or on the ground – as they’ve demonstrated over the past decade first in Iraq and today over Afghanistan, where the helicopters of 857 Naval Air Squadron continue to fly daily.

Note. You can bet that the next modification to the V-22 (after its converted to an aerial refueler) will be to act as an AEW platform. The Marines and the Royal Navy will be buyers and that will give Amos his greatest joy. Turning the Marine Corps into a junior Carrier Aviation business concern.

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  1. Sol, the replacement for the Sea Kin ASaC 7 AEW helicopters for the Royal Navy has been confirmed as a helicopter based version.

    No V22 sale to the RN for this I am afraid

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    1. just wait. quite honestly those V-22's that went to the UK airbase should have gone to Spain or Italy with a new Army and Marine unit being stood up to respond to issues in Africa. they're at that base to sell you guys on the idea of buying them.

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  2. I would also have to have a little chuckle about that 'wargame' and the Sea Kings are due to leave service in 2016, years before the F35 comes into service!

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  3. "the Lightning II – is the world’s first fifth-generation fighter jet"

    Somebody should tell these guys about the F-22.

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  4. I would think smart people would hire a General Ripper type to do their absolute best to ruin everybody's party. Because that's exactly what an enemy is going to try to do. Can't do that though because of the almighty CYA mentality.

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  5. 4th Generation, 5th Generation its all marketing crap! In truth the F35 if it works as advertised (does any military kit) then it will be the top of the tree by virtue of quantity of capability if not quality of capability.

    Of more interest should be this

    http://www.agustawestland.com/news/agustawestland-and-thales-unveil-enhanced-airborne-surveillance-and-control-capability

    Which equally applies to the V-22. Persoannly I don't care which we get in the end just as long as we get something! :)

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  6. Ignore the first sentence and concentrate on the rest.

    This test was all about interconnecting and sharing data with the least amount of work and in real time.

    They made no mention of the treats involved because it was irrelevant to the test.

    Here is the key part:

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    The idea was to see whether the reams of data and information the Sea King, Type 45, carrier and four fighters could be passed from helicopter to F35 to ship in real time so decisions could be made and threats eliminated – exactly as would be expected were the Queen Elizabeth battle group on front-line operations.

    “Not only does this help the UK customer get their heads around how the F-35 will integrate into operations, but it can also save a lot of time and money,” explained Tony Hall, the BAE F35 programme manager overseeing the trials. “We can identify issues early and fix things at this stage far easier than when the aircraft are built and in operation.”

    The simulated link-up was, said Lt Cdr Mark Humphries of the RAF Air Warfare Centre at Waddington, “something we have never been able to do before” and it proved to be “extremely valuable”.
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    1. wrong. they're talking about conducting networked warfare...the type of thing that is suppose to be the F-35's bread and butter. it isn't superior to other aircraft in speed or turn rate. it might match them but doesn't exceed them. its advantage lies in stealth and data.

      this was a wargame and you can't minimize that fact.

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    2. Except for the first sentence, they spent the entire article talking about the network and ZERO time talking about any threats involved in the wargame.

      Take3 a look at the second sentence:

      "Royal Navy air crew and ops rooms teams across the land linked up via simulators to test how they the Fleet of tomorrow would work together in battle."

      Notice how they did not say "how they would defend the fleet", "defeat the enemy", etc.

      They spent ZERO time talking about weapons, kinematics, etc of the F-35 as establishing & testing the NETWORK was the whole point of the exercise.

      This was my point.

      btw, The F-35 beats several other fighters used today in both speed and turn performance while in combat config, but I'll leave that for another day. :)

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  7. The Imperial Japanese Navy did a big wargame before setting off on what would later be called, The Battle of Midway. Results of that wargame were great, um until they had to reset it once because red force sank some carriers.

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  8. "As for the Type 45s, they can track aircraft up to 250 miles away – one parked in Portsmouth can watch aircraft landing and taking off from Charles de Gaulle, Manchester, or on final approach at Schiphol in Amsterdam. And courtesy of its Sea Viper missile it can take out incoming enemy aircraft or missiles up to 70 miles away." -- Assuming the threat is not a sea-skimming vampire in super-sonic terminal phase. Response time vs the radar horizon and all that.

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  9. @ELP: What's you're point?

    The exercise was about developing and testing the network BEFORE the F-35 are deployed, not about weapon performance.

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