don't quote me on this but this was born of the fighting in Chechnya. high elevation allows the twin cannons to elevate to kill anti-tank teams that were firing down onto Russian tanks. this is almost an urban warfare specialist vehicle. i don't know how it would do in different terrain. in the desert i would imagine that its not as good. jungle? probably a winner because engagement distances would be shorter.
I had read that too, awhile back when I first heard of this thing a couple year back. They referred to it as a "Tank Escort". I thought the article I read also said it could carry AT and AA missiles.
I'm thinking the Pom Pom's are for low alt. aviation threats, possible dual use against ground targets. Good concept, leave the Panzers to fight Panzers and the support vehicle fights what hunts the Panzer. Assault gun or StuG concept with another name?
Lower turret, protected AT missiles, added armor including slat and reactive.
"As the first generation BMPT, it is designed to engage a wide target set, from enemy tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other armored vehicles, dismounted infantry, and guided missile teams. The weight of the BMPT72 was reduced by four tons to 44 tons. The crew count was also reduced, from five to three, with the removal of two grenade launching positions. Besides the elimination of 2,100 grenades, the ammunition count remained unchanged – four laser guided ATAKA missiles effective against armor, helicopters or infantry targets at ranges up to 6,000 meters and remotely controlled dual 2A42 gun platform, firing 30mm projectiles. The turret contains 850 rounds of APRS-T, HEF-I, AP-T, KE rounds."
Anything that can take out a tank, up to and including another tank, can be targeted by this thing. those twin 30mm could be used against helicopters, IFVs, or AT teams hiding behind objects.
Considering the thousands of ex-Soviet tank chassis out there, this is an attractive upgrade, but I doubt the West could afford them.
I first hard about this vehicle a few months ago, and was comforted by reports that after the original five vehicles it never went anywhere. Seeing the new BMPT72 sends shivers down my spines. While I think that this vehicle may not have a perfect fit into Western or Russian doctrine, the telling part for me is the line from Paralus's link about how users don't seem to fully understand how to use it. It wasn't designed for the current doctrine based on tanks and IFVs, it was designed to fill a gap in capabilities, and its value will never be truly known until it gets a trial by fire. That said, I don't ever want to face one of these, or a mixed force using them. I think that they will be proven quite capable dropped into existing forces, let alone if their future users take the time to play with them and develop new tactics and doctrine to maximize their advantage.
Doctrine-wise, it might not be part of any formally speaking, but HMG and autocannons from AA units have been used against infantry and vehicles since WWII.
The problem with AA platforms is they don't have the armor protection to hang with tanks. In Chechnya, the Zsu-23-4 Shilka's were used to accompany tanks and hose down infantry AT tanks, but the vehicles didn't have the armor to defeat AT missiles themselves.
The Terminator corrects that. As long as a nation already operates Russian weapons and tank chassis, this is an easy upgrade.
I'm positive the Syrians would take 1000 of them if they could.
Russia has proposed to Peru to convert their 240 old T-55 in these machines to work with the T-90 they are offering too. Other countries with old soviet stuff could be interested as well.
A little overkill.
ReplyDeleteBetter than underkill in combat. When you life depends on it you do not care if it is overkill.
Deletedon't quote me on this but this was born of the fighting in Chechnya. high elevation allows the twin cannons to elevate to kill anti-tank teams that were firing down onto Russian tanks. this is almost an urban warfare specialist vehicle. i don't know how it would do in different terrain. in the desert i would imagine that its not as good. jungle? probably a winner because engagement distances would be shorter.
DeleteI had read that too, awhile back when I first heard of this thing a couple year back. They referred to it as a "Tank Escort". I thought the article I read also said it could carry AT and AA missiles.
DeleteTrue better then underkill but still, double 30mm ? For methat a little overkill, single would be enough + more ammo.
DeleteI'm thinking the Pom Pom's are for low alt. aviation threats, possible dual use against ground targets.
ReplyDeleteGood concept, leave the Panzers to fight Panzers and the support vehicle fights what hunts the Panzer.
Assault gun or StuG concept with another name?
Russians call it Terminator.
ReplyDeleteUpdated version has been revealed at the Russian Arms Expo.
ReplyDeletehttp://defense-update.com/20130927_bmpt72-unveiled-at-rae-2013.html
Lower turret, protected AT missiles, added armor including slat and reactive.
"As the first generation BMPT, it is designed to engage a wide target set, from enemy tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other armored vehicles, dismounted infantry, and guided missile teams. The weight of the BMPT72 was reduced by four tons to 44 tons. The crew count was also reduced, from five to three, with the removal of two grenade launching positions. Besides the elimination of 2,100 grenades, the ammunition count remained unchanged – four laser guided ATAKA missiles effective against armor, helicopters or infantry targets at ranges up to 6,000 meters and remotely controlled dual 2A42 gun platform, firing 30mm projectiles. The turret contains 850 rounds of APRS-T, HEF-I, AP-T, KE rounds."
Anything that can take out a tank, up to and including another tank, can be targeted by this thing. those twin 30mm could be used against helicopters, IFVs, or AT teams hiding behind objects.
Considering the thousands of ex-Soviet tank chassis out there, this is an attractive upgrade, but I doubt the West could afford them.
6000m?! We're gonna need a bigger bo- er.. I mean some more artillery.
ReplyDeleteI first hard about this vehicle a few months ago, and was comforted by reports that after the original five vehicles it never went anywhere. Seeing the new BMPT72 sends shivers down my spines. While I think that this vehicle may not have a perfect fit into Western or Russian doctrine, the telling part for me is the line from Paralus's link about how users don't seem to fully understand how to use it. It wasn't designed for the current doctrine based on tanks and IFVs, it was designed to fill a gap in capabilities, and its value will never be truly known until it gets a trial by fire. That said, I don't ever want to face one of these, or a mixed force using them. I think that they will be proven quite capable dropped into existing forces, let alone if their future users take the time to play with them and develop new tactics and doctrine to maximize their advantage.
ReplyDeleteWould certainly make mince meat out of infantry with all that firepower.
DeleteDoctrine-wise, it might not be part of any formally speaking, but HMG and autocannons from AA units have been used against infantry and vehicles since WWII.
DeleteThe problem with AA platforms is they don't have the armor protection to hang with tanks. In Chechnya, the Zsu-23-4 Shilka's were used to accompany tanks and hose down infantry AT tanks, but the vehicles didn't have the armor to defeat AT missiles themselves.
The Terminator corrects that. As long as a nation already operates Russian weapons and tank chassis, this is an easy upgrade.
I'm positive the Syrians would take 1000 of them if they could.
Russia has proposed to Peru to convert their 240 old T-55 in these machines to work with the T-90 they are offering too. Other countries with old soviet stuff could be interested as well.
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