Thanks Mark for the info.
First this from the Washington Times.
The six-day standoff with the rebels in Zamboanga, one of the most vibrant trading cities in the southern Philippines, was believed to have left at least 55 people dead. It has also raised fears of a setback in the government’s efforts, backed by the United States, to calm insurgencies and fight terrorism.That's right friends.
The government said most of the dead were rebels holed up in several seaside neighborhoods. Government forces were firing mortar rounds into the area and battling street by street to take areas back from the militants.
The situation was serious enough that the country’s top civilian and military leaders traveled to the city, despite the mayhem, to plan their strategy. President Benigno S. Aquino III arrived Friday, with one of his escort helicopters taking small-arms fire as he landed. The crisis has crippled the once peaceful city, a mostly Christian enclave on the island of Mindanao, displacing more than 62,000 people.
Muslim Rebels are attacking cities in the Philippines. We already have Special Forces operating on that island and more SOCOM assets are on the way.
To make matters worse (or better, it depends on your view) is the fact that the US military is close to getting access to Subic Bay Naval base and Clark air base.
This is how you get involved in other peoples wars. The second thing you need to realize is exactly how wide ranging the problem with Muslim extremist is. The tilt to the Pacific isn't taking us away from the problem. And the stationing of US forces in the Philippines puts us directly in the mix of the fight again. This is from Military Review.
Several island chains bisect the T3, providing natural corridors for transit.Yeah.
They provided trading routes during the precolonial era in Southeast Asia.
Today, along with legitimate trade, they provide relatively safe transit routes
for criminal and terrorist elements and for the movement of weapons and
personnel to the region’s two infamous terrorist groups, the Jemaah Islamiyah
(JI) in Southeast Asia, and the Abu Sayyaf Group in the southern Philippines.
Four main island chains transit the T3 area. These chains have many unof-
ficial names—“rat lines,” “infiltration routes,” “terrorist corridors”—and
are referred to differently by Department of Defense, Department of State,
various intelligence agencies, and Department of Justice officials.
Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiyah.
From one insurgency to another on the other side of the world. How come I get the impression of the Philippines being another tar baby...Just in the jungles instead of the desert?
Sidenote: Has anyone considered that SOCOM might be a reason for the US edging toward perpetual war? If conventional forces are used, there is no secrecy, the warfare is out in the open and everyone has full visibility. Toss it to SOCOM and US forces are active worldwide without end.
No love for Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines. Seriously this operation actually does exist.
ReplyDeleteI hear IEDS are also common there, as well as over in Thailand. IEDS will be around forever.
are you serious????? i had no idea!!! oh time to research!
DeleteYup, OEF is more than Afghanistan. It also includes Guantanamo Bay (Cuba), Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Jordan, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Philippines, Seychelles, Sudan, Tajikistan, Turkey, Uzbekistan, and Yemen. (And those are only the places they admit to.)
DeleteOddly, DOD reports 128 OEF military deaths in the "Other Locations" (non-Afghan) but no wounded. Sure.
http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf
Completely serious. Funky ROE and what not the USMC has been in the Philippines doing this for a while. Not much hits the news and not even public affairs puts out anything beyone Balikitan.
DeleteNot to worry, the US military won't be there long. --heh
DeleteMANILA, Sep 1 — Philippine negotiators are emphasizing the temporary nature of plans to have more American forces rotate through the Philippines as they work toward forging an agreement on the deployments with the United States.
Actually, they've already been there over ten years.
David Axe: In January 2002, Special Operations Command deployed Joint Task Force 510 to fight the Islamists alongside the Philippine military.
Feb 22, 2007 -- The Department of Defense announced today the death of a Marine who was supporting Operation Enduring Freedom. Cpl. Timothy D. Lewis, 20, of Lawrenceburg, Ky., died Feb. 15 as a result of non-hostile action in Jolo, Republic of the Philippines. His death is under investigation. Lewis was assigned to Combat Logistics Regiment 37, 3rd Marine Logistics Group, III Marine Expeditionary Force, Okinawa, Japan.
Jolo is a bad-ass island off Zamboanga. I flew over there once (years ago) as a tourist and with the nasty stares from a lot of unemployed young men, I wished I hadn't.
IEDs were a standard in Chechnya as well. Vietnam, too. Since the AQ types share notes, I kept telling friends that Iraq and Afghanistan were going to be a lot more dangerous than just guys in pajamas with AK47s. Snipers, mortars, IEDs -- these are the weapons of the modern day guerilla.
DeleteThe mistake we made in our COIN doctrine was thinking it needed to follow Mao's four levels with the expectation we expected to see larger formations of fighters. Why would they need to if they can stay at level 2 insurgency and be effective? William Lind had a column back during Iraq that the IED was a tactical weapon that had strategic effects: Look at JIEDO, the MRAP costs, etc. Diesel, fertilizer, wires and a battery forced to spend tens of billions of dollars.
Stephen Trimble was on this story years ago...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/06/most-unfortunate-headline-of-t/
Good thing we got fat with all them Mine Resistant vehicles. Why all he Mine resistant push from DOD. these guys know its easier to lay a IED than to take on a APC.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason why the Philippines want the US their is because we have the technology and experience to wipe out Insurgetnts, Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiyah in one shot. They want to use our UAV's and Special ops to take on the insurgents, Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiyah. The Philippines has the weakest militaries in the pacific, and that's because their political and social corruption has weakened the Philippine military to the point that they don't have the capability, manpower, and equipment to face China, Taiwan or it's insurgents.
ReplyDeletenot likely. SOCOM has been on that island for almost 10 years. i've been doing some reading and to my surprise they have another "green zone" type setup. comfy facilities, what appears to be civilians serving in what could look like a US stateside base.
Deleteall these "wars" are just money drains. SOCOM is only good at raiding and getting headlines. if its training forces or advising they've lost their mojo. they can setup in an austere location but they're gonna have the best of the best stuff, the most comfortable stuff etc...
if you want to live good and chill the fuck out. join SOCOM.
Nicky,
ReplyDeleteNo snowball's chance in hell will the US government provide very high tech equipment (like UAV and listening device) to the Philippine Government of Philippine military (aka AFP).
SOCOM has seen some of their intelligence they've provided to the AFP being recovered inside hastily abondoned rebel camps.
What do you think SOCOM will say when they take random inventories of the weapons that will be left behind by these raiders (future tense here folks)? What do you think will they find when they trace the S/N of some of the equipment? You'll be surprise or you don't want to know.
The problem with the Philippines is that they have corrupt leaders who will sell out their military for the money. That's why their trying to work a deal for F/A-50 and try to get a frigate and LPD.
DeleteAnother thing ... these "raiders" landed on multiple beach fronts and converged into Zamboanga City. The muslim rebels (doesn't matter which faction or which group, because they all "share" resources and manpower) have done this before, i. e. attack a target from the sea and from multiple directions.
ReplyDeleteChances are SOCOM has seen them coming. SOCOM may have heard them chatting. What I'd like to know is where did intell wind up?