Thanks for the article David.
via BBC.
Rafale gets hit in Brazil and now the Typhoon gets shot down in the UAE. What will be interesting is if the US played a bit of backroom dealing by pushing the F-35 to the UAE to steal the deal.
I'm just asking the question. Don't hate me.
via BBC.
The Gulf state had been in talks with the company and the UK government to buy 60 Typhoon jets.And the hits keep coming.
The union convenor at the firm's Warton factory in Lancashire said it was "very disappointing news to get before Christmas".
But a government spokesman said it was a "commercial decision" and that it was "always going to be a difficult deal".
"As BAE have said, it was an exciting prospect but not part of their business plan," they added.'Game changer'
In a statement BAE Systems said: "The UAE have advised that they have elected not to proceed with these proposals at this time."
A spokesman added that the collapse of the deal would not have an impact on jobs at the firm's Warton factory.
Phil Entwhistle, from the factory's Unite union branch, said the deal would have been a "game changer" in terms of recruitment and the long term future of the factory.
"Having said that, there's no threat to jobs in the short or medium term," he added.
"This deal wasn't yet part of the company's business plan so we won't be seeing people losing their jobs, certainly for the next three years or so."
Last year, BAE systems lost out on a deal to supply 126 Typhoon jets to India.
Rafale gets hit in Brazil and now the Typhoon gets shot down in the UAE. What will be interesting is if the US played a bit of backroom dealing by pushing the F-35 to the UAE to steal the deal.
I'm just asking the question. Don't hate me.
I am confused here...was it rejected in favor of the F-35 or more F-16E/Fs?
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DeleteUAE balked at $9 billion price quote for 60 Rafales, so they turned to BAE for a cheaper pricing. Unfortunately BAE's pricing's wasn't any cheaper than Dassault's, so UAE said no to the Typhoon too.
UAE figured 60 F-35s at $10 billion was a better value than $9 billion European jets.
When dealing with the arabs its always a question of kick backs not the price of the deal as those regimes are corrupt to the core. You know the story of prince Bandar and BAE ,je know the guy so cosy with Bush's family that he was called Bandar Bush ,anyways guy chairs their intelligence agency and was ambasador to US in that time and got cca 1 Bilion in kickbacks from BAE i relation to Eurofighter and when fraud investigation regarding that kick back was in motion he came to UK and threatened UK goverment to stop shareing any info on terrorists ,that is quite a serious deal as most are Saudi funded and in case of 9/11 were actually Saudis
DeleteWith both Typhoon and Rafale's production set to end before 2020, Saab is the last European fighter jet maker standing; who could have thought of that just a year ago?
ReplyDeleteI always liked the Rafale better.
DeleteI hope the Indians can get their shit together.
The F-35 is still in development, and will be for another five years or so, or not.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter to the Gulf states.
DeleteThey have the cash for the best.
It is really incomprehensible how the Brits can screw this one up, they really were looking at an serious order from Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar for EF, you think that putting a joint proposal where you get a common group buy could have been worked out and reduced the price of acquisition!
ReplyDeleteFrom recent press reports, it seems like French RAFALE is still in play and haven't really heard any talk of F35, far more likely F15 or SH are in play in the region.
if the program office is to be believed (yeah i know) then every country in the region is clamoring for the F-35. if they end up selling the plane to those countries then i'm convinced that there are differing levels of stealth applied. no way would we sell planes to a nation that could end up having an arab summer and turning iran like.
DeleteI agree, with what I understand now of the program, there is for sure different levels of access. Not really sure UAE wants the F35 that bad because they have been working and spending a lot of money on developing their aviation industry and at this time, they won't be getting much return on investment with JSF.
DeleteThe Rafale is still in consideration, and seems more likely as the UAE has 60+ Mirage 200s.
DeleteAs for the F-35, I am sure the UAE wants it, but it would be more logical to have it as an F-16 replacement.
Advanced Super Hornets maybe?
ReplyDeletehttp://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N0J20BA20131117?irpc=932
The only Gulf state that I can see buying those is Kuwait.
Deletehttp://gulfbusiness.com/2013/11/dubai-airshow-boeing-shows-off-fa-18-fighter/#.UrOo1X1Q1J8
ReplyDeleteThe whole story of the Typhoon or Eurofighter (whats in a name?) has been a sorry one, with countless missed opportunities. As has already been pointed out, when dealing with Arab states they always want a little 'something else' with which to sweeten the deal. The plane itself is not too bad but even now its still far from being the complete package. While ideal for the RAF and it's strategic needs when combatting long range Soviet, er sorry, Russion incursions into the UKADR most Arab nations need something a little different. BAE are already under the microscope in the UK for kickbacks. BAE may, in time, be glad that this opportunity has been denied them. The shareholders however, may hold quite a different view!
ReplyDeleteStealth paint is perhaps a problem in desertic country ?
ReplyDeleteIt's perhaps better to buy french instead of US for internal political posture.
And there is also the problem of US backdoors on F35...
We go back to the where OTAN ( LM lobby target : corruption was proven to late in germany) bought F104, where all other the world country buy third party aircraft...like Mirage F1 / 3 ....
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_12_19_2013_p0-649264.xml
ReplyDeleteDoesn't sound like F35 is really for sale yet in the Middle East. I think the Rafale is still the front runner for UAE deal.
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