Monday, December 30, 2013

Where are we with Unmanned Ground Combat Vehicles (UGCV)?

BAE Black Knight.
After reading the Admiral's views on the future of UAVs in the air fight, I became curious.  Where are we with Unmanned Ground Combat Vehicles?  UGCVs have been the darling of every guy that has even a passing interest in scifi warfare (military science fiction is what they prefer you call it) and I wondered where we stand.  Above you see BAE's Black Knight.  Developed at company costs and went no where.

MAARS | QinetiQ North America
MAARS developed by QinetiQ of North America put together a neat package that is based off bomb detection robots but as far as I could tell has gotten no orders (formal orders at least, although I don't doubt that kits have been bought).


The Crusher was a test bed sponsored by DARPA so I guess it really doesn't count, but it was a HIGHLY mobile system and looked big enough to fit a large caliber weapon.


The Oshkosh Terramax is another example of a vehicle that really doesn't belong on the list but I include it because the Pentagon tasked industry to come up with a vehicle that could displace drives and operate in a convoy.  They succeeded.  These trucks ran obstacle courses in the desert, avoided other traffic and could haul an equal load when compared to their manned counterparts.


Above you see the assault Mule.  It died when the FCS died.  The US Army had a winner and I believe this part of the system was ready to go.  It would act in concert with M1's, Bradley's, Stryker's and the other parts of FCS and would have given the Chinese a heart attack.  Instead, it went to the grave because the Army packaged the FCS as one program instead of individual systems.


And finally (for my list) is the vehicle that appears to be the most successful.  The Guardium.  The Israelis use it for border security and early on it was armed.  Photos today show it operating without armament, but the Israelis are tight lipped about their security practices and I would bet body parts that they have all sorts of weapons attached.

Long story short.  With UGCVs, costs will always be a consideration.  If they are armed and armored, require the same amount of maintenance/upkeep as manned vehicles, and provide only limited savings then you'll see people behind the wheel.

We aren't there yet but will probably reach a point where the cost of sending a human where you can send a robot will make as much sense on the ground as it does in the air.

Sidenote:  Yes.  I missed some vehicles/systems.  This is just a brief overview.

7 comments :

  1. Assault MULE is dead but what happens with ordinary MULE ? Goes online with some squads in field or also died with FCS ?

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  2. The assault mule and MAARS really are winners. Black knight is too fancy for my taste, if our actual soldiers can't ride in vehicles that well protected I cant get behind making that armor for a remote control car.

    I think the reasoning behind canceling the assault mule and the low number procurement of the MAARS is similar to the cancellation of the NLOS-LS.
    All of these are fantastically lethal systems but their procurement doesn't serve our land forces well in the procurement of its larger infrastructure.
    To field and/or build a large devastating military one of the most important things you can have is infrastructure to accommodate a larger force.
    To present a defense capability that effectively deters an enemy for attacking we have to present not just a powerful force but a force infrastructure that can support a much larger unpredictably more powerful force.

    NLOS-LS, Assault MULE, and MAARS are actually fairly easy to manufacture now that the R+D is complete...if we really need them.
    But are we ready to sell out on our ground troops and vehicle fleets to rely on these and their single dimensional capability to expand on a limited basis to account for the needed destructive capability...not yet. I believe in the lethality of these systems, but as an advocate of a strong standing military I'd rather just keep this up our sleeve.

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  3. At least US is testing some of them. The rest still dreaming...

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpowN43w96M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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  4. Dreaming they are lol.
    Nothing works that well outside of cartoons.
    I saw like 3 places where they would have been destroyed even before the Apache came.
    But if you pretend they're american drones its a pretty cool cartoon then lol.

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    1. Yeah, still better (more survivable) than infantry eh, firepower of heavy machine/grenade gunner (+ 'some' anti-vehicle support) and mobility and armour of a vehicle. That is what, 3 classes right there, has to be worth at least two infantry each.

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  5. It is just a sales video to show what sort of things the system can do, SAAB made one for their Gripen, and I am sure that Americans would quickly figure out how to setup kill zones. They look cool, does anyone know what they are called?

    Also I think these sorts of systems would be quiet effective at augmenting marine corps expeditions.

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