Wednesday, December 25, 2013

Z-20 flies. We're going to be fighting our doppelganger.

Thanks for the article Jonathan!

via Aviation Week.
A Chinese military utility helicopter roughly equivalent to the Sikorsky H-60 made its first flight on Dec. 23, state media report.
The helicopter, with the unconfirmed designation Z-20, is a 10-metric-ton (22,000 lb.) aircraft suitable for operation from high-altitude fields, China Central Television says. For almost three decades, China has relied on 24 UH-60 Black Hawks bought in the 1980s for such operations.
The Z-20 is externally similar to the Sikorsky helicopter. The body is low relative to its height, and the undercarriage has a tailwheel arrangement.
It can be taken for granted that Chinese engineers, tasked with building an aircraft similar to the H-60 and having samples available, will have referred closely to the U.S. design as they drew up their own. Further, the Chinese military may simply regard the H-60 configuration as highly suitable for the military utility mission.
A notable difference is the five-blade rotor; the H-60’s rotor has four blades.

The first flight took place at in northeastern China, the television network says. That strongly suggests that the aircraft is a product of Harbin Aircraft, part of Avic rotary wing division Avicopter.
A 10-ton military helicopter should have much the same potential applications as the H-60 and NH Industries NH90 offer to Western users, including battlefield transport and antisubmarine warfare. Depending on how far the design is compromised by its primarily military functions, it may also be useful for Chinese civil operators, but cannot have airworthiness certification recognized by Western aviation authorities, limiting its salability abroad.
The 10-ton category has been a notable gap in Avicopter’s increasingly complete range of helicopters, which runs from 1 to 13 tons gross weight, including several types in development.
When war comes between the US and China...and it will come...we're going to be fighting our doppelganger.  They're going to look very, very much like us.

Except they're going to have newer gear and in some cases gear that we wanted but got canned because another concept won the politics of the Pentagon.

It is interesting that we're so focused on small wars, tribal conflicts, piracy and terrorism that we're going to be poorly equipped to handle a peer competitor.

Oh and dump the near peer stuff already.  Between a manpower advantage, and a closing tech gap, I think we can say that China definitely is able to achieve local superiority across the board in certain regions of the Pacific.  Today.  Not in 10 or 20 years. 

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    1. The best and most cost effective way to counter an enemy is to copy them. Try reading up on a little concept called "First Mover Disadvantage".

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  2. I am kind of surprised it took them so long! The UH60s have been around for quite a while and you see them on Chinese TV when there's an earthquake or disaster so it seems that the Chinese really esteem them and have used them quite a lot. Not surprised too that it would appear they have improved on the design, bigger airframe, 5 rotors, probably more powerful engines...

    http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://bbs.tiexue.net/post2_7023686_1.html&usg=ALkJrhisuSTmqi-958eHf9aqWK40X36YEQ

    Saw this the other day, new paint job...

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  3. Not sure if real or Photoshopped...Christmas surprise from China?


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  5. I may be wrong... but i think WW3 will be against the chineses...

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  6. Conflict would not be in anyone's favor. Large scale conflict with today's technology its possible to slay a massive beast with small arrows. I don't think its a necessary conflict though. There is no doubt a change in Asia with their modernization, but if the diplomacy is right continued peace is entirely plausible. If they lose patience with the peace we continually offer in their desire to expand we'll defeat them in the long game.

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    1. why do you think conflict would not be in China favor? if they make some calculations and decide that the cost benefit is good then i could see it. want to know the dirty secret? our corporations want them to develop a middle class. think US in the 50s. if they succeed it won't be the dream that the corporations have that will come true but those of the communist party. we were self sufficient in the 50s. they will be too. then think about reunification issues. first taiwan, then a few other islands and then finally parts of Russia. war is almost inevitable unless some type of internal issue distracts them from the path they're on.

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  7. that international corporations haven't caught on to the fact that the Chinese will never their influence or marketshare to be held sway over by a foreign corporation is beyond me.

    The Chinese distrust foreigners based on their experience will colonialism. Yes, they like tech. Yes, they like building stuff for foreign markets, but they want Chinese corporations selling to Chinese consumers.

    They do not respect copywrite, patent or trademark
    they permit/encourage counterfeit goods
    If they have something they want, they will take it and make their own version and sell it themselves.

    Yeah, BMW builds cars there, but the Chinese have copied the X5 for example and rebadged it for sale to Chinese consumers.

    Software, hard goods, it's all open for counterfeiting. They are not free-markeers, the Chinese are throwback mercantilist/protectionist. There is no way a foreign corporation will sell directly to the Chinese if the Chinese decide it's best to have a Chinese corporation. Why the fuck would they care about foreign shareholders?

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  8. Have you seen this, Sol? A recent Chinese live fire heli-assault exercise in August 2013 it appears (if my chinese is correct). 118 choppers, including 10 gunships participating. Rapid assault for taking islands in the south china sea or disputed islands, eh?

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