Oh God! Tell me someone knows French and can translate what the guy is saying when he's stuck in that "sucking mud"!
That is the tilt to the Pacific no one in Combat Arms is talking about. Tribal knowledge in Marine and Army Infantry has been lost. The only two places where the skill set is maintained is at the Northern Training Area in Okinawa and perhaps at the Jungle Phase of Ranger Training in Florida.
The desert is hard. The jungle is harder.
Is not clear but in general the instructor ask several times if he wants to quit. They guy at the end did it but says somethig like Fck this is very hard
ReplyDeleteYeah, tells him to get up. Then asks him a couple time if he wants to quit. Hard to hear clearly but someone seems to be giving them some guidance. The kid at the end, "putain, c'est dur, c'est l'enfer", pretty much "fuck, hard as hell."
ReplyDeleteah! thanks guys. the guy is miserable, probably very uncomfortable and he'll tell his kids about the time when....
ReplyDeletegood stuff.
Some USMC may end up here during their time in Oz:
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In the past, USMC trained in french guyana, with legionnaire. I don't remember when it was stopped...
ReplyDeleteJungle training is considerated here like he harder, especialy when it's the Jungle Monitor Graduate.
Every commitionned officer and NCO in french army make the jungle Initiation training ( the shorter : 3 weeks) at least.
Soloman, don't discount units in Hawaii and Washington. 25th ID in Hawaii maintains a pretty good proficiency in "the bush" with the 2ID boys at Joint Base Lewis McChord not being too far behind. The difference is a cold temperate thick forest filled with devils club and misery and a hot tropical jungle filled with different misery. While the pine forests of North Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee are not choked with vegetation the way the forests of Hawaii and Washington are, you can bet your bippy that the boys in the 82nd and 101st are working on small unit tactics in thick brush on a fairly regular basis.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, the brush at JBLM in Washington was worse than anything I encountered in Florida phase of Ranger school. Moving through the devils club and elderberry is a cold green hell.
good points about the 25th and 2nd ID. have to admit that i forgot about the terrain at Bragg and Campbell too (or for that matter Lejeune). i've never been to McChord but i keep hearing differing things. on one hand they talk about a desert and the other a jungle from hell. i have to check that out for myself, the land sounds psycho.
Deleteok. so things might not be as bad as i thought regarding institutional knowledge...
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ReplyDeleteThe desert is the Yakima Training Center (YTC) which is on the east side of the Cascade Mountains. Affectionately called "Yakistan" by those who have trained there, it is a good place to train for maneuver warfare in an open desert environment. The drop zones on JBLM are over run with "Scotch Broom" weeds which is a pretty good analog for elephant grass, and the forests are commercially logged (save for a few protected areas) so the underbrush is always dense (until the trees grow tall enough to choke out the sunlight to the ground level).
ReplyDeletegreat info. funny thing is that i've prided myself on having traveled all over the world and it seems like there is still alot of the US i need to see (New York being the exception)
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