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I need to see independent penetration tests before I'm convinced that this is nothing more than a frangible round in a new package. The claim about it being good at penetrating barriers is also suspect to me because its so damn light...96 grains????? Wow. This thing better be hypersonic.
But ya know what? Despite all that I'll probably pick up a box to see how it works in my carry gun and find a wild pig to see what it can do against a vicious human sized target.
Sidenote: Just to stir the pot with all my gun guys and get the discussion raging you should also check out a couple of posts by American Mercenary regarding the 300 Blackout (in doing so he makes the best argument for the 5.56 that I've read in a long time) and Long Range Shooting (he touches on a slightly embarrassing..to me..part of USMC Sniper History). Thought provoking and definitely against the tide of conventional wisdom.
Holy shit, it's like Metal Storm frag shells projectiles for Adeptus Astartes boltguns... well maybe not exactly, they don't have proximity detonator that detonate before impact and spray shrapnel, but still a flesh killer. If it not kill in one hit the victim would die in some real fraking world of pain.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what they think when they start to design this round, it's pretty sick one. I understand that Astartes boltround, it's a weapon of terror but in real word ? who would use that ?
i remember the last "terror" round produced...the Black Talon...i still have a box and i wish i had bought a case before they were outlawed. but the way the emergency room surgeons went on about how they would sew a person up and then find that they had missed fragments of the bullet. and the person would continue to bleed internally.
Deletepublic relations got that round killed but it became a real HOT seller before they took it off the shelves.
i can see this being a good seller just on word of mouth and looks alone.
I believe the Winchester Ranger t and sxt are about the same round just not black with a different name.
Deletewell my understanding is that the black coating was teflon. i've seen videos of testing on the Ranger T on TNTOutdoors and the bullet didn't perform on he test i saw. 127 grain +P+ and the bullet didn't expand.
Deletei'm carrying critical duty in my edc gun
The critical duty are some nice rounds. They are to new for me to be approved to carry them though. damn bureaucracy.
Deletewhat do you think about this round? it really seems like a super frangible with a mix of having almost a shotgun sized pellet at the center.
Deleteyou know this means we're inches away from seeing some type of sabot round for pistols...
DeleteI think its just another frangible round, with the only benefit of it having the solid base that seems to have deep penetration. Once the trocars/petals or whatever break off they seem to small to do much, if any bone is struck. Also even in just ballistic gel it looks as if the petals only go in 4in and the base is just a solid bullet going into the vitals. Even if it doesn't work worth a damn Im sure with the right marketing they will make some money on all the new gun owners out there.
DeleteOh was wondering since you would have some knowledge whats a good plate carrier, and how fragile are ceramic plates? Are there any carriers that help pad the corners or what not? On that same note I wonder what these would due to a lvl 3a vest since they are made to catch and deform blunt objects and the petals seem fairly pointed.
Deleteinteresting that you bring that up. i remember you talking about vest wear as part of concealed carry and a post is coming on that subject tomorrow. as far as plate carriers i always bet on Mayflower (no, i'm not a gear snob, its just that their shit don't break) but there are some other good ones out there. quite honestly for my at home shit goes crazy in the world rig i'm sporting a BDS tactical....the Mayflower and the BDS will set you up as far as padding is concerned with the corners.
Deletebeen a few years since i bought Mayflower but i got the BDS rig last year and they were A plus on customer service.
ceramic plates? my info is too dated to be helpful. i'll hit up a couple of guys on the post tomorrow (regular readers still active) that will fill in the blanks. i do know that for some reason i don't understand, that STEEL plates are being marketed ... yeah, i know! too much steel core AK-47 floating around and even 5.56 in the civilian market for someone to fall for that nonsense.
lastly good point on those points. they would act more like a shiv than a bullet and would probably slice right thru. you might have hit on why these won't last on the market...they could actually be cop killers in the wrong hands. didn't think of that and i don't know of any street cops that where knife proof vests.
There was a sabot round for pistols a few years back...
Deletehttp://www.gotavapen.se/gota/cbj/cbj_crtg.htm
Jesus !
ReplyDeleteI just don't see this catching on as machined solid bullets cost $$ and this one has way more machining than most.
ReplyDeleteAs for their penetration claims WTF ,its a light weight(even lighter once it sheers off the spikes solid with no extra velocity over conventional bullet ,only thing going for it is no expansion and a bit harder material
Well, do you want the good news or bad?
ReplyDeleteThe good news is that this round will probably expand and fragment.
The bad news is that the "armor piercing ammo" laws require all solid copper bullets to be approved for public sale after they have been shown to to perform not as armor piercing bullets, but as the equivalent lead core copper bullet. To sell their product they need an ATF approval letter, and they obtain that by proving their bullet isn't a "cop killer."
Also, adding Teflon or PTFE to a bullet does not make it armor piercing. What it does is protect the rifling in the pistol barrel from excessive wear when you use a bullet like the KTW. It was the KTW rounds that originally caused the "cop killer" hysteria as they designed a bullet to be barrier blind, but the solid brass and steel they were working with was hard on pistol bores, hence using PTFE as a lubricant.
I would trust twelve gauge slug more.
ReplyDeleteThere is already a glut of good bullets out there. As only one example: Federal Hydra-Shok.
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