Monday, March 31, 2014

Amphibious Combat Vehicle Increment 1 & 2...What we all missed...


I was reading SLDInfo and ran across something that I had seen before but didn't take in fully..
The Marine Corps is planning its Increment 1 and 2 Amphibious Combat Vehicles around a design used in foreign militaries and built by several manufacturers, some of which have open production lines, Commandant of the Marine Gen. James Amos told Defense Daily after a Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee hearing Wednesday.
What I hope is we can get Increment 1, some number­200, 300, we¹re still sorting that out­but we can get that under contract as soon as we can, and those would be [commercial off-the-shelf] vehicles, the four-star general said. ³It¹s going to come from a manufacturer that more than likely is already making these things, so we don¹t have to reinvent something, we don¹t have to go through the developmental testing and costs. So that¹s Increment 1.
Makes sense, get it sooner, let the Marines figure out what they need to do to change it. And then Increment 2 would be, in my mind, a spiral development. Tis would be like the second flight of the first increment. Amos said Increment 2 would be a jazzed up version of the original based on feedback from Marines in the field, and developmental costs would be kept low.
Asked if he could name the platform he is looking at or its manufacturers, Amos smiled and said absolutely not. But he did say it would be a wheeled vehicle rather than a tracked vehicle, which comes with a host of benefits that makes it immensely superior on land­greater safety, greater protection, simpler maintenance and better maneuverability, to name a few.
Amos just threw away tracks in favor of wheels.

We all missed it because we were all happy to see some progress on the ACV front, but this is mind boggling.  The MPC is NOT capable of swimming from ship to shore (unless the requirements changed and the performance of the contestants was better than advertised) which means that he is going to limit the Marine Corps to getting ashore by either LCAC or Helicopters.

This is so idiotic that words can't properly describe it.  The implications of this are so serious that I'm surprised it isn't getting a serious airing in Marine Corps specific blogs.

This commandant is changing the very nature of the Marine Corps.

Note:  I still like the Marine Personnel Carrier as a supplement to the ACV but not as a replacement.  Forcible entry is still a mission set of the Corps and one that cannot be performed by Helo or LCAC alone.

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    1. the only thing that brings me any comfort in this is that the next Commandant is going to have to figure this all out. AMOS ran out of time and there ain't jack shit he can actually do now. the sooner that bastard leaves the happier i'll be.

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  2. Uhh, the only competitor being built by "several" manufacturers was the Havoc wasn't it (Finland, Poland, Slovenia, South Africa)? Super AV and and General Dynamics entry are single company. Terrex is two manufacturers if you count Otokar, but I'm not sure how much that's the Terrex and how much it is a development of the Terrex, and anyway two countries is not "several".

    It's not clear to me how he didn't just say flat out that they have picked the AMV.

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    1. if he's talking about the MPC being a AAV replacement ... including doing ship to shore ops then he could only be talking about the BAE SuperAV. that's because sources that i trust tell me that it swam the best. if he's talking about protected transport then he's talking about the Patria AMV .

      it goes back to exactly what do you want the vehicle to do and what tradeoffs are you willing to make and which ones do you prioritize.

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