A few things...
1. Ares Armor got a restraining order yesterday, yet ATF does a raid today. That means that they used a national security rationale to get the restraining order overturned. Expect Ares Armor to be called everything but a child of God. '
2. They want the names of people that bought 80 percent lowers. I fully expected a crack down but not like this. They went from zero to Mach 12 in one step. I believe they're trying to help out Connecticut State Police and I expect this info to be used there first. Don't doubt that it won't spread to the other states that are enslaved though. Confiscation is coming.
3. If you're a shit talker and a person that yells "come and get them" from the roof tops then you're about to get your chance.
4. I've been in a middling position with regards to my feelings on law enforcement. Its a tough job and God bless them. But its also obvious that while they smile and take some of the same training classes as military and civilians they are the ENEMY. They are the fist of the state and the state is corrupt.
Last but not least if you don't subscribe go over to Nutn Fancy Youtube page to listen to his latest on this subject. The owner of Ares Armor is interviewed and it'll answer many questions for you.
You don't have to wait for shots to be fired like at Waco or Ruby Ridge. Understand the obvious. ATF has declared war on gun owners.
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It would be useful for someone like the NRA or a state firearms assoc. to crowdsource a legal defense fund for such cases.
ReplyDeleteThe BATFE is going to bum rush small businesses which will completely kill their businesses by confiscating computers, records, freeze bank accounts, etc. even if no charges are ever filed. It will bully them into submission.
It would be helpful if there was a 'toolkit' and some cash for businesses to get back up on their feet ASAP after such a raid. It's the threat of killing off their business that makes business cave in to Federal agencies.
the NRA is too political to do anything like what you're suggesting. ITS A GREAT IDEA BY THE WAY!!!! i wonder if the Gun Owners of America would consider it?
DeleteThe question is, would the ATF have tried the same in Utah, Vermont, or the Republic of Texas?
ReplyDeleteThe ATF can't do the job it was supposedly founded to do, so they have to go have the law abiding.
Your country needs to loose some of those alphabet soup agencies.
i don't think they would have Steve. i think the ATF would have gotten so much pushback and so many people at the business raided that they would automatically get their asses handed to them.
Deletei not going to blame Ares Armor but why setup a business in enemy territory? California has made itself clear on where it stands on teh gun issue.
as far as alphabet agencies. we've just completely setup an internal security/anti-american people force and no one batted an eye. its disgusting.
Nutnfancy has a second video up on Ares. In the first video when he visited the store in Universal City the owner, a Marine, said that was where he was born and he wasn't going to be pushed out of his home town for carrying out legal business. Got to admire him.
DeleteWe should compare this situation with the one in Ukraine. We have Western leaders praising a rebellion fought with bricks and petrol bombs, yet the West's governments would disarm their own populaces. But there is a darker angle to this if the reports of the US and EU fermenting trouble with the Ukraine are true and the evidence is mounting. Then the US and the EU are acting covertly and underhandedly just at they increasingly appear to do at home. Give Putin some due he is acting in the open (mostly.) Dishonest democracies vs honest autocracy! Something is very broken within our Western society.
All I can say is shit. Obama and Holder just put the biggest black eye in law enforcement in 11 years. I guess its time for the FEDs to f up again.
ReplyDeleteAgain its the local law enforcement that I worry for. The FEDs can hide from the general public while locals have to deal with the backlash those idiots have caused.
sorry Tony. i can tell you're one of the good LEO's but you're judged by the company you keep. the group you run with are no better than gang bangers, neo nazis, rapist or child molesters.
Deleteyou're the enemy dude and you have visibility on what our community is doing because you come to these pages. that goes for all the other LEOs that think they're on the side of gun owners.
for those of us with our eyes open you're suspect. i wanted to take a Haley, Costa or even a class with Yeager.
NO MORE. those bubas train law enforcement. i'll use the knowledge i have before i go take classes from someone that is training people to kick in my door.
Know thy enemy and know they self. What better way to to get inside LE heads than than by seeing how they train.
Deletenot that simple my friend. all of the above...well the entire training industry trains LEOs separately.
Deletefor example if Haley shows up in Baton Rouge what will happen is that he'll give civilian classes on say Mon and Tues...then a special LEO course on Weds and then back to civilians.
they all work like that. long story short. they have full visibility on our tactics taught by the industry but we don't get to see what they're doing. so it brings me back to the thought that training the enemy makes you an enemy.
FEDs are still different than locals no matter how anyone tries to lump them. What locals look for are those with the same values as the communities they serve. I don't see that with the FEDs. It is easier for locals to say that something is an illegal order and refuse to do it. I don't know if the FEDs have the same protection.
DeleteHonestly, I get the feeling that it's not a good idea for a company to sell unserialized lowers -- it makes it really easy to commit a crime with an unidentifiable weapon. Once you've bought the part, you can basically put together a weapon pretty easily.
ReplyDeletehave you ever machined a 80% lower? nothing easy about it. additionally why would a criminal build an AR when he can just as easily wait for the ATF to run another of their bullshit stings and get a top of the line weapon free?
DeletePerhaps "easy" would be a relative term. Personally, my only problem is that they're unserialized. People putting together rifles from part kits isn't a problem by itself.
DeleteWhats so bad about unserialized firearms? Serial numbers don't prevent crime. Serial numbers even very rarely result in solving a crime. In the world of law enforcement the most common use of the serial number is to identify stolen firearms as stolen on the rare occasions they are recovered. Even states where all firearms are registered with the Government can't point to much success in solving crime through the use of serial numbers. Heck even states that require a fired casing be submitted to the state at the time of purchase can't point to any crimes being solved because of that information.
DeleteIf you look at forensics the two things that give a rifle its signature are its barrel and the firing pin. You could buy a complete working gun, that is one with a serial number, swap out the pin and barrel, do your dirty deed, swap the parts back, and the rifle would be untraceable. Saying selling unserialized lowers makes a rifle untraceable is a bit of a stretch. Especially as swapping barrels and the pin is a lot less complex than machining a lower. I would say flaws in the planning of the crime are about 1000000000000% more likely to lead to you getting caught than the rifle. Figures say that about 8.5 million legally held semi-automatic rifles that have military ergonomics (that is ARs, AKs, Mini-14s, and lesser known types ranging from the new in production to the M1) I bet that number is on the low side by a good few million.
DeleteOne day I must look into the CNC milling market. I bet there are low end devices out there and ready written programs to produce a "lower" of a sort that takes all the AR parts.
Perhaps the ATF in California should divert their attention to the LA Basin and the Baja border region?
One more thought. Why am I a Brit having to point this stuff out to some of you guys?
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ReplyDeleteI really, really hate to say this, especially since I am an NRA member, but the ATF "might" have a case.
ReplyDeleteI have not done a lot of research on this, but the ATF's claim seems to be this:
1. Areas manufactured a complete, 100% lower in black polymer
2. They then filled in portions of the lower with white polymer in order to comply with the 80% rule
3. The purpose of the two colors is that it allows the buyer to use simple tools to remove the white polymer in order to get to 100%. Normally the tools that are required are complex metal working tools that are very expensive in their own right.
4. They then sell these lowers without the need of any kind of serial number or registration.
ATF's claim is that since the lower exited at 100% in stage 1 before filling in white polymer, that it still requires it to be treated as a normal 100% lower.
I apologize if I got any of that wrong as I said, I have not read a lot of this case.
and with that statement i just learned everything i need to know about you.
DeleteCalm down!
DeleteHe's not saying it's right or even that he agrees with it - he's just giving information to aid everyones understanding of why this case might be different to the others (ie poly versus alloy 80% lowers).
the only one excited here is you. the only one that needs to calm down is you. i made a simple, declarative statement.
Deletei understand the case and didn't need further explanation. additionally i linked to people that would give details. you're just an arrogant, scary little pussy (there are many like you, you are hardly unique) that is trying to justify the unjustifiable.
good luck with that.
bitch.
By the case given that they are "produced" wrong then go after the manufacture not the consumer. How long was the lower produced? How long did it take their lawyers of BATF to try and figure up it could be construed as illegal, and why go after private citizens until after a jury has ruled it to be illegal by taking Ares to court.
DeleteSpudman,The BATF is in fact wrong about the sequence of production. According to every source that I have been able to talk to the manufacturer of these pieces of plastic start with the white polymer mold first. The white polymer portion is then inserted into the final mold and the black polymer is then cast around it. At no point in time during the manufacturing process does a 100% receiver exist!
DeleteThe thing that makes this raid so bad is that BATF had already established this fact when they raided EP, the company that actually produces the item. This is all about intimidation through seizing stock and gathering names to disrupt as much as possible the legal activity of building AR's.
Ditto.
DeleteThere are two possible frightening scenarios,
1) The ATF does not know the laws it is supposedly there to enforce.
or
2) The ATF does know the laws and is ignoring them. If an executive agency and elements of the judiciary are contemptuous of the laws formed within the elected legislature then the state is brokenl there is no legitimacy from below. Just the other week somewhere, the name of which escapes me, a people took to the streets because they thought their state was broken. Now where was it? It will come to me........
Vince, thanks for the clarification. As I said, I do not know too much about the case and if the sequence is as you say, then ATF is going way overboard.
DeleteIf they feel that Ares did it wrong, they need to prove that in court and once the law is settled, retrieve the lowers from the buyers. Not vice-versa.
retrieve the lowers from buyers? you fucking NAZI. i knew you were suspect but now you've proven it.
Deletei can tell you now that "if anyone wants to retrieve" my property that i bought and paid for just because they decided to change the rules to satisfy a bunch of pussies in Washington and throughout our nation (in and out of uniform) then they're going to have more trouble than they imagined.
to everyone else. i told you the ATF declared war on gunowners, i forgot to add that so did our fellow citizens. i won't comply, i will lie, i will conceal, i will do whatever it takes to be able to protect my family now and into the future.
funny. the gun grabbers like Spudman have already struck first and don't even realize it. i wonder what their reaction will be when we strike back?
Sweet Jesus, Solomon! Switch to de-caf!!!
ReplyDeleteI perceived your comment to Spudman (a regular and fairly informative contributor to your comments) as very negative in the vein of "I don't like what you are saying so I'm judging you" in a negative way and I spoke out on that since he was just providing information (whether you agree with that or not) to help us all.
Maybe I mis-read you comment, intention or tone - easy enough to do with a typed medium.
My comment is non-abusive and very neutral and you seem (to me) to be over reacting just a bit by then going an attack on me.
We agree we you (i.e. the BATFE is out of line), so don't be so aggressive.
Chill.
Jonny - aka The Mad Marsupial
how am i being aggressive when i say that i learned everything i needed to? why do i need to "calm" down when i'm not raging or upset.
Deletethis is the internet. i've had this blog up long enough to know how express anger to my readers.
as a matter of fact i use the same phrase everytime. something like "I'M PISSED ENOUGH TO PUNCH WALLS"!
sorry buddy. you don't come to my house. my property on the web and get to play sheriff. you don't like it then sail on. i do this for my enjoyment. NOT YOURS. yeah we all have opinions and we all have opportunities.
you want a bigger voice and feel that i'm unfair? THEN START YOUR OWN FUCKING BLOG INSTEAD OF TRYING TO REGULATE ME ON MINE! THAT SHIT PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH I WANT TO PUNCH WALLS!
see how that works?
now shut the fuck up, get in the corner and listen carefully cause grown, free men are talking.
Fine - it's your sandbox and you can be rude to whomever you please, whenever you please, for whatever reason you please.
ReplyDeleteThis is an informative blog, but often the best information and discussion comes from the guests who comments. However I still have no idea why you think it is OK to label your guess as pussy, bitch and so on for no reason.
I guess I'll just stick to reading and leave my opinion about old fashioned manners to myself.