Most people are following the story of the missing Malaysian airliner.
Just doing a quick jaunt down memory lane, this whole incident is familiar. And that brings me to my what if.
What if the Chinese shot down the airliner? The Russians did the deed with Korean Airlines Flight 007 and many are still not satisfied with the results of that investigation.
Terrorism seems to be being ruled out. So I ask again. What if?
Sidenote: Don't take this seriously. Not at all. Just another theory to throw on the fire. It is part of the investigative process. All possibilities must be examined for the real truth to be found.
Just doing a quick jaunt down memory lane, this whole incident is familiar. And that brings me to my what if.
What if the Chinese shot down the airliner? The Russians did the deed with Korean Airlines Flight 007 and many are still not satisfied with the results of that investigation.
Terrorism seems to be being ruled out. So I ask again. What if?
Sidenote: Don't take this seriously. Not at all. Just another theory to throw on the fire. It is part of the investigative process. All possibilities must be examined for the real truth to be found.
In my personal experience, the press should stop beating up the "2 stolen passports" until the wreckage (or parts of) is found. The plane didn't radio any distress call. Nearby flights did not see any bright flashes from the air nor were there any signs of fire on the surface of the water.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt about it, there was an extreme catastrophic failure of the fuselage (hence no distress call). It could either be caused by metal fatigue (which may cause the plane to break apart if the failure of the part happened in the right place). Another cause of a plane to loose control without any distress call is when the cockpit looses compression very, very quickly. Deck crew would've been dead in seconds.
If there was an explosive then some planes would've seen signs. That airway is very busy even at that time of the evening.
A US destroyer would be ideal to be there so it could locate the black boxes. Both have "pingers" assist location.
No debris on the water (yet) = very strange. No fuel slick (yet) = very curious (the jet just departed, so there should be lots of floating fuel.) The aircraft could be down on land, in the triple canopy jungle.
DeleteNot really. A steep dive straight into the water would drive a lot of debris underwater straight away with little debris spread.
DeleteAnd no, not likely to have made landfall. Asia is not a "safe" region. All the countries there are watching each other closely. Any border intrusion is often followed by a lot of cussing and threats. Unlike airport security, border security isn't that porous, there are still border conflicts going on there.
uh. NO. you're wrong. at speed water is like concrete to an airplanes fuselage. there would be debris and it would be spread over a wide area. additionally you'd have bodies in the water. quite honestly thats the next mystery. fisherman should be finding bodies by now and they aren't.
DeleteSolomon...don't be so quick to shoot someone.
DeleteI didn't say the plane didn't break up. I said the dive (momentum) would have hammered the debris to the bottom. Your scenario is if the plane pancakes into the water, yes, debris all over, but a straight dive down not only smashes the wreckage into smaller pieces and drives it to the bottom, it also pulps bodies. Think of a body hitting the pavement from 35,000 feet. Then add engines to power it. Are you even sure bones can survive that impact intact?
Quite true Daniel Flight Global also talked about this today.
Deletehttp://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/video-flightglobal39s-david-learmount-looks-at-mh370-396832/
The A330 had a composite tail and it floats. I believe the 777 is almost all Aluminum and would not float as readily.
And the fuel? ... no matter how hard it hits water it would float, any taken down by the wreckage would leak out and come back up.
DeleteAlso, almost anything plastic (all the people belonging) also floats.
AO, not in a few billion cubic litres of water. Yes it will float. But it will be so diluted that you won't even be able to see it. And the harder the plane hits, the more well mixed the mess that will result and the deeper it is under the ocean, the more currents will effect the dispersion.
DeleteAnyway you can theorize all you want, just wait and see, I'll bet they find the plane underwater.
I don't believe it was shoot down by China or some SAM missile but anyways, if China did, wouldn't they shoot down an American liner? Maybe a JAL flight but Malaysian?
ReplyDeleteNo WRECKAGE!
Deletefor me thats the biggest smoking gun of this whole episode.
whether shot down or forced down while being jammed something screwey is going on here. every previous airliner has been found shortly after it crashed.
we're on day four soon to be day five.
unless aliens are involved then we're looking at something unseen before.
I am starting to lead more towards pilot? suicide with straight down plunge.
DeleteThe passports just might be from some guys trying to illegally enter China or Europe, might have nothing to do with it. Although some reports are saying some Iranian guy bought them? Could still mean nothing related to the crash....
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DeleteTypical suicide leave notes. This one didn't. Besides, aside from the PF (pilot flying), there is another set of flight crew (relief) outside. If this was a suicide, then there would also be radar signature to say that it dropped altitude drastically. This one didn't show up either.
DeleteCouldn't be terrorism-related because Malaysia is a "neutral" country.
Mark, I know of a few cases where the pilot did not, so "typical" does not mean "always".
DeleteAs for neutral, sometimes, the other guy just doesn't care. Example, North Korea planting a bomb to kill the South Korean diplomatic delegation in Burma/Myanmar. Burma was neutral, that didn't stop North Korea.
Personally though, I doubt it's terrorism as well. But until they find the plane, we can never tell.
"there is another set of flight crew (relief) outside" can relief crews get back into the cabin?
Deletealso 'g' forces may not allow them to move that freely.
The current in the Gulf of Thailand, if I remembered correctly goes in a counter-clockwise direction. I'd be stationing and monitoring the cost of Cambodia and the south-western shores of Vietnam. Debris should start to surface and wash up in Day 6 or 7.
ReplyDeleteAnother thing which may cause the plane to go down and no distress call is Hypoxia (similar to Helios 522 in 2005) where the flight crew and passengers were dead before the plane hit the ground. Why didn't the plane fly straight until it ran out of fuel? Maybe one of the flight crew fell forward and disabled the auto-pilot.
This is a far-fetched theory, though.
The problem with the terrorism angle is that nobody has claimed it so far. Usually, when some crazy sh%t happens, Al Qaeda,etc will say they did it even if it rapidly appears that they had nothing to do with it. Why no claim by now?
ReplyDeleteThe press is barking up the wrong tree with the bloody "fake passports" story.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh370-mystery-investigation-shifts-focus-to-thailand-crime-gangs-as-debris-discarded-as-evidence/story-fnizu68q-1226850965067
No one has shown the radar tracks that the flight did a 180 degree turn. It just did a turn to the right, from 25 to 40 degrees.
There is a strong possibility that the plane, due to lack of debris or fuel on the water, the plane was able to do a complete u-turn and may have crashed on land.
News are announcing that they are going to look at satellite pictures, I am guessing someone is starting to wonder if maybe this thing made it to crash on land or maybe they really need to stretch the search area.
ReplyDeleteI still think either a shoot down or a bomb on board is definitely a possibility. It doesn't necessarily have to be a terrorist organization carrying it out - if it was state sponsored (or even criminal organization sponsored) then the perpetrators would likely want to conceal their identity.
ReplyDeleteThe supposed "U-turn" sounds VERY suspicious to me. A "25 to 40" degree turn to the right...and then it disappears from radar? In my experience (I've seen the radar tracts of a couple of flights that have been shot down in the past), when an aircraft is shot down you will usually see a sharp bank to the left or right before it disappears from radar...either due to ground impact or disintegration. I will admit, it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be shot down, it's technically the result of structural failure after the missile/AAA hit, so I imagine a regular non-nefarious structural failure would look the same. I've just never examined the radar tract of a plane known to have crashed from that cause.
Depends on what was at the end of the 25-40". If something went wrong, that might put the plane on an approximate line to Ho Chi Minh airport.
DeleteBTW, compare and contrast this case with
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Air_Flight_574.
Almost same circumstances, vanished, found only after 8 days.
Personally, I think there is also one more similarity to the current case. The autopilot. My gut call on this one is either pilot error or autopilot error because of the timing. They were transiting from the ascending phase to the cruising phase of the flight. The best time to set the autopilot. They also just completed a routine course change of a few degrees, also time to be fiddling with the autopilot. My guess is either a wrong autopilot setting or an autopilot malfunction.
@ Solomon, just ONE question about shoot-down by Chinese theories:
ReplyDeleteHave you checked China's location on Global map lately? I wonder...
The airliner may have not taken off at all.
ReplyDeleteThat's just as valid as the bomb, suicide, air attack and hypoxia.
The odds are against any flotsam being detected of all the parts to this plane some would float even from the bottom of the ocean.
If it broke up in the air that debris would be all over ten miles of water someone would find it.
If it nosed dived at high or slow speed the same debris would float up even from a smaller area of impact.
A ground crash in triple canopy jungle would show up also from fire or smoke from bodies drawing masses of vultures.
How ever a hijacked liner that lands someplace a jet this size can land with passengers held hostage could have happened, yet no cell phone signals and no calls made.
The lack of any calls out from anyone is strange and so far no witnesses from the massive fishing boat fleets.
Some crashes just are never found, The Andes cannibal flight, Amelia Earhart, those torpedo bombers in the Bermuda triangle and the vast discoveries of bombers from WW2 being found all the time in places like Burma, Vietnam and even Germany show crashed aircraft can disappear quite thoroughly.
Hell there is a ship lost in the Atlantic that has yet to be located filled they say with cannibal rats.
The oceans are huge as are large parts of the world's jungles.
I'm thinking maybe this plane was landed and covered up for what ever reason.