Note: David Codrea is a long-time gun rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He is a field editor for GUNS Magazine, and a blogger at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance.
Note 1: I've been speculating that the Feds had all manner of surveillance going on at the Bundy Ranch and that they would let everything die down and we'd wake up in a year or so to news of mass raids throughout the country happening simultaneously.
Note 2: We've been hearing Sen Reid first make the statement that this isn't over and then second that the people that showed up to the Bundy Ranch were domestic terrorist....which brings me to this story from the Examiner...
I was mostly looking at the guys on the overpass that pointed weapons at LEOs as being the targets of my mythical raids in the future. If the term "Domestic Terrorist" can actually be applied to the participants at the incident then you're looking at an escalation in this brewing battle.
It leads to questions though.
1. If you simply protest against a police action is that now terrorism?
2. If you're armed on private property during a police action and DO NOT point your weapon at police but vocally state your opposition to them does that count as interference with police in them doing their work?
3. Will the guy on the overpass be charged with Domestic Terrorism as well as assault?
This is gonna get sticky and messy.
Seems like both sides want a fight and are bound and determined to get one.
Note 1: I've been speculating that the Feds had all manner of surveillance going on at the Bundy Ranch and that they would let everything die down and we'd wake up in a year or so to news of mass raids throughout the country happening simultaneously.
Note 2: We've been hearing Sen Reid first make the statement that this isn't over and then second that the people that showed up to the Bundy Ranch were domestic terrorist....which brings me to this story from the Examiner...
Putting aside reader opposition to or support for the Bundy claims, and ignoring allegations of Reid’s (and his son Rory’s) personal interests in the disposition of the land in question, what must be examined is what the senator must mean if he seriously believes his accusation.Quite honestly this surprises me and takes me to a place I hadn't considered.
“Domestic terrorism” is a legal term, defined by U.S. Code. It’s prosecutable. Assets can be seized, including assets of supporters. Provisions of the Patriot Act could kick in, with all that implies. And felony convictions would certainly result in those found guilty becoming “prohibited persons” under federal law from owning a gun.
Assuming PR considerations would preclude Obama from ordering drone strikes, is the foregoing really what Harry Reid has in mind? In spite of the efforts of Oath Keepers and others to ensure that a peaceful resolution is paramount, does “true champion of the Second Amendment” Harry Reid want everyone on the side of the Bundy family who has been on the ground near Bunkerville -- and those providing them with material support -- to be prosecuted as domestic terrorists?
Does he truly wish for those whom he politically disagrees with to forever lose federal recognition of their right to keep and bear arms?
Considering his longtime gravitation toward Michael Bloomberg, his support for federal oversight of private gun sales, and his embracing of Diane Feinstein’s renewed “assault weapon” ban, such an admission would hardly be surprising.
I was mostly looking at the guys on the overpass that pointed weapons at LEOs as being the targets of my mythical raids in the future. If the term "Domestic Terrorist" can actually be applied to the participants at the incident then you're looking at an escalation in this brewing battle.
It leads to questions though.
1. If you simply protest against a police action is that now terrorism?
2. If you're armed on private property during a police action and DO NOT point your weapon at police but vocally state your opposition to them does that count as interference with police in them doing their work?
3. Will the guy on the overpass be charged with Domestic Terrorism as well as assault?
This is gonna get sticky and messy.
Seems like both sides want a fight and are bound and determined to get one.
not one more inch I say....none of us!!! unless we want to wind up the moral equivalent of the Russian peasant- soldiers that executed the entire Polish reserve officer corps in the Katadyn forest in 1940....trying to fool history by using German sidearms to do it..."Just followin' orders and doin' our jobs" right?
ReplyDeleteTraitors to the US Constitution need to be regarded as such. The entire Patriot act is an abomination and should be cast aside and the hundreds of people responsible for upholding it should be shot as traitors.
My I correct some of your sentences.
DeleteKatyń forrest not Katadyn.
Not entire reserve officer corps but some of them + active duty officers from lower to higher ranks and large group of high educated civilians, government workers and policeman's.
Use of German made Walther handguns was not to fool anyone, NKVD use them in larger executions because it was better then Soviet handguns. Drastic thing but Walther just don't overheat that fast and it could be used longer.
Please don't try to compare any type of Yanks Internal Security forces to NKVD, they are not in the same league.
don't compare US internal security to NKVD?
Delete1. the US spying on its citizens and really people around the world would make Stalin blush.
2. we waterboard people, we detain people without trial. how is the NKVD worse...and this is what we know about.
3. we've launched UAV strikes against US citizens. did the NKVD launch air raids against there own citizens? did they have the precision that we do? did they call themselves a democracry or more properly a republic?
4. did the NKVD answer to the Politburo? a small group of elites that supervised there activities? how is that different from the Senate Intelligence Committee that keeps all proceedings secret?
we're closer to the NKVD than anyone wants to admit. we're living in the times where we threw it all away because many were too scared to live free.
To answer in order.
Delete1. Every country is watching own citizens from the start of time. US is not unique in this Sol, you don't invent the wheel. Now there is a larger technological possibilities to do this in more efficient ways, that's all.
The biggest sin of US is that you get catch doing that.
2. NKVD detain people, shoot them, send them to the GULAG camps when you work till you die, trails even if they are in place they are always with single verdict. There is some dark humor joke about Soviet trials "First we get you fair trial and then we will execute you". How many mass executions or showcase trials were in US in last decade Sol ? How many citizens has been send to working camps to death ?
3. No, NKVD did not launch air raids because they don't posses that kind of capability in that time. They prefer doing thing close and personal. Bullet is cheaper then bomb. They never call them self democratic, they despise this type of ideology as weak and capitalistic. The single person is only a statistic number, without any rights.
4. No NKVD did not answer to Politburo, they did not answer to anyone from there because they were in power to eliminate everyone of them in mere days. They answer to two dudes, first one was a chief of NKVD and second the main boss of USSR. But everyone from Politburo would be killed if boss say that. We call this a Red Terror.
I know many things about NKVD and many more I have no idea about, but believe me Sol, Yanks internal forces and NKVD are not on the same league. They not even close...
But, they can be. There is always this possibility that things can evolve in those horror scenario.
When you will afraid to speak anything out loud, think anything that is not sanctioned by government. For every true or false accusation you and whole your family will be deported, put in to concentration or working camps, if you will see in TV mass executions of "traitors of the people", if people start to disappear without reason, if when you will see a black government car you heart beat will start to shoot like you have an attack, if your life will be controlled on every step, if the rights to move in other place will not exist and you will be threaten as statistic number not human... then Sol, then you can say that yank internal sec forces are going in to NKVD zone.
I second Solomon on this one US and UK are well pas NKVD or Stazi in terms of surveilance.
DeleteAnd not far behind on other fields.
Torture is practiced and if its deemed that even more severe methods are needed, detaines are brought to 3rd world 'allies' willing to take it further
Legal assassinations and kidnapping people on foreign soil ,indefinite datainment without charges .
Largest incarcerated population of anyone in the world.
As for speaking out loud remember time after 9/11 you could get detained and interogated based on what you said in your local Gym.
So what is missing till police ,state ,believe me police state will come softly step by step invisible to most you are a fool if you expect it to be a revolutionary change along the lines of pre war Germany or Russia.
Now tell me what more you need compare that to US in the 80-90's when none of this was possible.
Just make sure people vote in 2014 and 2016.
ReplyDeletethe country is a powder keg and the President doesn't seem to care. he always picks issues that divides us between race, sex, religion...whatever and the real problem is being ignored. the economy is a mess and the best we're getting out of Washington is gay rights bills, illegal immigration being pushed etc...
Deletea Supreme Court justice is quoted as saying that if taxes get too high then perhaps a revolution is in order and Obama care is the biggest tax hike (and personal information grab) in history.
we're screwed.
Oh please, your off on a rant without basis in fact. The reality is that the so called "golden years" of the US from the late 40s to the 60s had the highest tax rates in the history of the nation. They also had significantly lower wealth disparity than we currently have and the wealth disparity has risen since the lowering of taxes.
DeleteThere are certainly things to complain about, but taxes certainly isn't one of them currently. The US government could currently DOUBLE the top tax bracket and it wouldn't even be close to an all time high.
As far as US domestic spying, it also isn't anything new and has been going on since the 40s.
And by any statistical measure the US economy as a whole is doing fairly well, the primary issue that causes people to feel that it isn't is the highly increased disparity in the distribution of that economy and general systematic effects that date back to the 50s and 60s wrt to pushing people towards college educations which is only increased by the significant earning distribution disparities.
So, if you want to go back to the good old days of the 50s and 60s, then you would have to more than DOUBLE the top tax bracket.
As far as Obama care, the primary problem with it, is that they went with basically the republican proposal.
Interesting talking points from the Obama party. Doubling the tax rate. For what? More socialism? Besides Defense taking up 27 percent of the fed budget for little return on value, the idea that more taxes should be collected to hand over to people that expect the government to solve all their problems is nuts. The best thing that could be done would be to cut federal spending significantly. It is the United States of America not the United Federal government of America. As for government spying "not being anything new" that is far from the point. You may want to re-read the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Bill of Rights, if you have read it at all.
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