Chinese police will be patrolling the streets of Paris this summer alongside their French counterparts to help combat a surge in attacks against high-spending Chinese tourists.This has bad idea written all over it.
The French authorities are determined to improve security for more than a million Chinese tourists who visit the capital for shopping and sightseeing each year.
Their habit of carrying large amounts of cash has made them a “prime target for muggers and pickpockets”, a police source said.
Chinese visitors to Paris are estimated to spend an average of €1,470 (£1,205) each on shopping, mainly buying designer brands, according to Global Blue, the Swiss-based duty free services company.
An interior ministry official said the number of Chinese police to be deployed in Paris was still being decided. “Their role will be preventive and they will carry out patrols with French police at tourist sites,” the official said.
In an incident that caused alarm in Beijing and received wide media coverage, a group of 23 Chinese visitors were robbed of cash and passports last year as they left a restaurant only a few hours after landing at Charles de Gaulle airpo
The very idea of deploying the police from a communist country to patrol the streets of a democracy is downright crazy to me.
But I'm old skool so maybe this is the wave of the future. Washington DC has tons of Chinese visitors. I wonder if we're going to invite their police to help out there?
I thought inviting the Chinese to Rimpac was bad enough but this? Just plain wow.
The US has no need because the US can hire Mandarin speaking Chinese American police officers.
ReplyDeleteand the French can hire Mandarin speaking Chinese French police! don't make excuses for the stupid!
ReplyDeleteSolomon,
DeleteThere is a lot more Mandarin speaking population in the US than there is in France.
your qualifying statement "there are more Mandarin speakers in the US than in France" doesn't change a thing. they can still hire French Mandarin speakers to perform this task.
ReplyDeletecalling in foreign police .... especially from a communist country, to help police your streets is bad business and a bullshit call.
I don't see how this is a bad idea, the Chinese are hardly going to steal state secrets from being embedded with the Parisian police while it benefits the French tourist industry and grants them access to cheap interpreters who are also trained policemen.
ReplyDeleteduring the height of the Cold War would we have allowed this? if the answer is no, and i believe it is, then why is it allowable today? simple. most people are so greedy and lack morals so its all about the all might dollar or whatever your currency is...in this case the Euro.
Deletegreed takes a back seat to protecting your citizenry. allowing foreign police to work on your shores is the same as giving up your sovereignty.
It's not really, they will be working with French police in charge of them and enforcing French laws, I don't think Parisian Police Nationale officers are armed routinely and I'm pretty certain the Chinese won't be. They probably won't ever be on patrol without French officers with them anyway.
Deleteyou ignored my point and continue to try and justify this. why? lets stop playing and call the Chinese what they are. a communist nation that commits human rights violations against its own citizens and those citizens live in a police state. not the gilded cage police state of Western democracies but real deal communist style police states.
Deletebecause we invented a flawed system that takes advantage of their cheap labor doesn't change the nature of that government.
and now the cowardly, greedy, money grubbing French are allowing the police from that nation to patrol their streets.
GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!
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DeleteSolomon, I think your views are a bit too extremist and detached from reality. As someone who has worked and lived in China for many years, I will tell you that it is communist only in name, and it is certainly not a police state. Anything that is not explicitly prohibited (e.g. protesting, spreading banned religions such as falungong, or harshly criticising the government) is generally fair game.
DeleteYour arguments on human rights abuses are valid, however, few countries have a clean human rights record. And whether or not it is committed against its own citizens or another countries citizens should not be relevant - all citizens are humans and it is an equally detestable act. So to isolate China in that regard is counter productive, and does not foster an environment of cooperation, which is what we want.
I'm curious to hear what your China containment strategy would include? Let's just say we drop the diplomatic fascade and call China our competitor. What do you hope to achieve with such a strategy? What next? Stop all trade with China? Source all our manufacturing to Mexico? How will we relocate hundreds of billions of dollars of invested capital/factories/machinery? The economic cost of shifting global production, changing the US economic structure will be immense! And even if there was the political will to do it, it will take a decade or two with no guarantee of success. And then what? It will only force those we exclude to cooperate more! Russia + China is still a worthy opponent. Large population and plentiful natural resources? What will this struggle lead to?
That's just me rambling off on a tangent, of course. But my point is that a containment strategy without a clear end-state is risky and will likely cause more damage than good.
there is nothing extremist in my view point. i however, look at China realistically and without the "woe is us and we can't do anything about them" type attitude common with many. the other common attitude i find is that many feel the need to apologize for China.
Deletei despise both viewpoints.
my containment policy is simple. the US and EU built the monster that is China and we can put them back into their cage. yes, we would be looking at short time pain but it will be worth it to contain this beast before its too late.
quite simply we place tariffs on all Chinese produced products and implement a BUY AMERICAN policy poste haste. i recommend at least a 50% tax on all good imported from that country. the consumers in Europe and the US will be in a bit of pain until they realize that the trinkets that we buy from that communist state are poorly made, don't last and are killing our economy. during this transition one of two things will happen. either manufacturers will bring back production to our country or they will go to the next China...whether its Vietnam, Malaysia or even Ecuador i don't care. we will be crippling China which is my main goal.
at the same time we will withdraw all US oil/gas/coal etc from the global markets. fuel prices on the global stage will skyrocket while our own prices will remain relatively stable. they will increase, but at a much slower rate than they'd be paying in the EU, Australia and most happily China.
this will be the second knife in the throat of that communist state.
finally i would simply accelerate what the Fed is already doing but with a plan to ruin the Chinese. i would devalue the US dollar so that our exports blow other nations industrial capacity to smithereens.
that last act will doom the Chinese and send them back to a well deserved stoneage.
once they're in the midst of debilitating domestic crisis, i would preemptively launch a massive nuclear strike to destroy their military once and for all. ok, the last is a joke...but just barely.
USA motherfucker!
I won't go in depth on discussing every point in minute detail, but here are some quick thoughts on your plan - you don't need to respond to my points, just consider them.
Delete"i recommend at least a 50% tax on all good imported from that country. the consumers in Europe and the US will be in a bit of pain..."
Middle-income households in Europe and the US will suffer immensely. Many businesses will instantly go bankrupt facing such costs, and the mass unemployment will be devastating to the economy. There is no way to predict how bad exactly, but it will certainly make the Great Depression seem like the jolly old days.
"either manufacturers will bring back production to our country or they will go to the next China"
Like I said, the relocation of that amount of capital will take upwards of a decade. It took roughly two decades of investment, infrastructure building, and developing local knowledge before China turned into the world's factory. This makes moving to another "China" unlikely in the near future. Reloacting domestically may work, however the unemployed masses would have no money to buy anything at this point regardless.
"fuel prices on the global stage will skyrocket while our own prices will remain relatively stable."
Two years into this disasterous economic policy, the slowed economic activity will actually have reduced global demand for oil. Therefore, this may not have much of a long term impact or relevance.
"i would devalue the US dollar"
Under normal circumstances, all this does is undermine our financial strength. Once our currency is no longer accepted by our trading partners as a safe reserve currency, our trade deficit becomes unmanageable and our economy will suffer tremendously. However, in this nightmare scenario it would be a moot point because global trade would have collapsed long ago.
"launch a massive nuclear strike"
Haha you've got a good sense of humor - but on a more serious note, I want to emphasise finally that the wealth we currently enjoy is a direct result of our global economy. Trade does make us all richer and happier. As we push for ever greater levels of efficiency and optimisation in our economic activity, and as it produces greater amounts of wealth, so too does its fragility. A slight disruption can wipe our billions of dollars, so basically the plan you just described is the economic version of a "nuclear strike" with MAD.
"USA motherfucker!"
Amen!
I won't respond to all of your points...i said pain but i don't see a great depression. modern business is too agile. additionally you talk about massive unemployment? you talk about not being able to buy goods? We're AT THAT POINT NOW!
Deletei do want to focus on one thing however....
"Trade does make us all richer and happier. As we push for ever greater levels of efficiency and optimisation in our economic activity, and as it produces greater amounts of wealth, so too does its fragility. A slight disruption can wipe our billions of dollars, so basically the plan you just described is the economic version of a "nuclear strike" with MAD. "
you actually have the nerve to say that the current trading scheme is making us all richer? what state are you living in because obviously marijuana is legal. FAIR TRADE would make us all richer, the abomination known as globalization is simply a HUGE hose draining America of her resources.
why do you think Obama has failed in his quest for new fast track trade authority? because the American people will no longer be fooled by the lies of both political parties. it started with NAFTA under Clinton, and accelerated under Bush and Obama is trying to continue it.
we're living in Orwell's Animal Farm the only difference is that some of the beasts still consider the pigs to be on there side, when the reality is they just want us dazed and confused over social nonsense so that the Chinese and the rest of the world can steal us blind.
Liaison for law enforcement can be achieved via the French and Chinese Foreign Ministries. One or two Chinese Law Enforcement Officers can present diplomatic papers to the French FM and be officially recognized, then detailed to the Paris divisions of the Police Nationale and Gendarmarie Nationale to assist tourist. To have Chinese police to walk French Street is opening an assortment of problems giving up sovereignty. Will the Chinese officers be armed and what is the ROE for them? Standards and TTPs for investigations, treatment of prisoners, reading of rights and then the whole EU standards for trial and evidence comes into play. I think the French and EU have opened themselves up to lawsuits when events go sideways.
ReplyDeleteriddle me this. what happens when a Chinese LEO is on the beat with a French cop and the French cop makes an arrest of a French citizen. what happens if the citizen passively resists by not cooperating or actively resists but not in a dangerous way....like refusing to put his hands behind his back...i don't know you make up the scenario.
Deletea scuffle breaks out and the French citizen claims police brutality. how do you present the arrest case or the civil suit in court?
i just don't think this has been thought through on a legal basis. morally? its bullshit.
Those chinese cops would have 0 police powers, the idea of one of them helping in the arrest of a french citizen is ridiculous. Of course they would not be armed. They are just glorified interpreters. The whole thing is just symbolic and for the tourism industry.
ReplyDeleteThis is a common practice in Europe, for example since many years the brits send some cops specialized in the hooligans in France (and other countries) when there is some football match with a english club involved. Same thing in Rome, for the same reasons, I think that even the russian sended some anti gang teams to help fight some russian mafia gangs.
Those place are litteraly full of foreigners during the tourist season and the problem is not the interpreters, but the fact that the chinese are from a whole different world in police procedures, it's extremely dificult to get info from them.
sorry balrog2005. i still call bullshit. the excuse that Paris is full of tourists is so silly that it defies description. the same can be said of Los Angeles, Honolulu, San Francisco, New Orleans, DC, Chicago, San Diego or a host of other cities.
Deleteif this had even been floated as an idea in the US, the first people that would be raising the nonsense flag would be law enforcement. then the citizens. then the money grubbing politicians would be crying uncle.
i mean seriously! say this shit out loud! Chinese police are going to be patrolling a French city! they didn't even have to invade and they're winning the war. the public relations war that is. China looks stronger, the French look pathetic.
US police deps. like NYPD, LAPD and the FBI not only send teams in foreign countries, and not always for a special task but just for training purposes but also accept foreign cops for the same reasons. Right now there is foreing cops and FBI-like agents operating int the USA. Did you ever here of the INTERPOL ?
Deletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol
China and the US are members.
don't equate training with actual on the street patrol duties. don't compare the US and UK sending law enforcement officers to Nigeria with Chinese officers patrolling the streets of Paris.
Deleteand finally don't muddy the waters by taking an organization that allows police to cooperate internationally on police intel matters with an actual international law enforcement agency that can make arrests in any nation.
it dont' work that way and you know it.
just face balrog2005. this is nonsense and you can pull any excuse out of your ass that you want but in the end its still bullshit.
The bullshit is saying that the chinese cops would be operating like in a conquered country simply reading some press release with 0 real info about the deal and ignoring that this is right now a common practice in many countries from the Americas to Asia. Sorry but your mental image of chinese cops being overlords in Paris, arresting people and chinese jurisdiction being in place THAT is bullshit.
Deletedid you read the article you son of a bitch? this isn't common practice you moronic idiot! this is totally different and you know it. just go away. you're just pissed because another EU country is showing itself to be beneath whale shit and will do anything for the mighty tourist dollar.
Deletedon't be mad at me, i'm just the messenger. get mad at France. they're the ones giving up their sovereignty to another country.
Try to be a gentleman, we are not teenagers.
DeleteI have not the pleasure to met you own mother so I would never make comments about her way of life, try to do the same thing.
Did YOU read the damn thing ?
An interior ministry official said the number of Chinese police to be deployed in Paris was still being decided. “Their role will be preventive and they will carry out patrols with French police at tourist sites,” the official said.
-It's not decided.
-Preventive work with the local cops in tourists spots. This is exactly what is done in Paris, Rome, Bankgok, etc...
From that, without any other info, you directly go to the ''loss of sovereingnity'' and arrests by chinese cops.
So yes, i'm not agree.
You didn't want any type of posts againts your owns opinions, That's fine. I recommend you to put it clearly a the top of your blog, that would help.
keep equivocating if that makes you feel better. the French have lost their fucking minds. nuff said.
DeleteHe's right, police in Europe cooperate a lot more than American police, especially dealing with tourists.
DeleteGuess somebody high up really liked Rush Hour 3
ReplyDeleteTrue That.
DeleteFuck.....27 comments for a chinese cop who hasnt even shown up in Gay(Happy) Paris. Solomon would go batshit craaaazy if someone showed him old pictures of the Third Reich on Champs Elysees in Paris. Or of the Swiss Guard in the Vatican. Anyway, i am sure civilians are more secure in other countries when guarded by mercenaries (Blackwater) than by own soverign police co-opertating with foreign police where all transactions between both police forces are a matter of Public Record
DeleteLong Point Short........the are Ze French.....they are used to getting foreign security forces wether they like it or not. I just hope the Chinese take a leaf out of UAE's police manual and send a Police Lamborghini/Ferrari/Aston Martin combo with their cutest female ninja chicks in them.
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