The usual suspects are calling for even tougher gun control laws after it was found that in socialist California, the laws weren't able to prevent a shooting rampage.
The free United States...the South, the Midwest, the Rocky Mountains (parts of it) and a few Western states will never go for it. Or if they do you can expect politicians to be fired regardless of party....
No.
What will happen is even more ominous.
If you make even a joking statement you can expect law enforcement to arrive at your door and place you in a mental health center and to confiscate your weapons.
No more talking to your wife and girlfriend...no more joking with your buddies. If you happen to have a falling out with a confidant and they're truly evil they'll simply tell LEOs that you made threats or are a danger to yourself and off you go.
Why do I say this?
Because Sheriffs Deputies showed up for a welfare check and they did not deem him a danger. I predict that the choice will be taken out of their hands and if a call is made then so will an arrest.
You've been warned. Big Brother is here and he's recruited your friends and family to spy and report on you.
The free United States...the South, the Midwest, the Rocky Mountains (parts of it) and a few Western states will never go for it. Or if they do you can expect politicians to be fired regardless of party....
No.
What will happen is even more ominous.
If you make even a joking statement you can expect law enforcement to arrive at your door and place you in a mental health center and to confiscate your weapons.
No more talking to your wife and girlfriend...no more joking with your buddies. If you happen to have a falling out with a confidant and they're truly evil they'll simply tell LEOs that you made threats or are a danger to yourself and off you go.
Why do I say this?
Because Sheriffs Deputies showed up for a welfare check and they did not deem him a danger. I predict that the choice will be taken out of their hands and if a call is made then so will an arrest.
You've been warned. Big Brother is here and he's recruited your friends and family to spy and report on you.
Sol unfortunately you are right. Many in law enforcements management would rather cya than take peoples civil rights into account. They are afraid of law suits instead of truly reading what the law is. Depending on the state to involuntarily place someone in mental detention the person must exhibit through threat or action an immediate danger to themselves or others. So lets say someone pulls the ol I'd rather kill myself than be without you. There would be many who would just put them in a mental health ward so they could cya.
ReplyDeleteglad to hear a LEO confirm my fears. we really expect too much. how is someone going to respond to a call, spend 5, 10, 30 minutes talking to a person and determine whether they're mentally ill or not?
Deleteand considering the fact that California already has some of the most draconian gun laws in the nation (i hate the fact that everyone is ignoring that he STABBED to death his roommates...they aren't reporting on that part of it but that must have been brutal) then the instant reaction will be what we're talking about.
oh and its called a detention and not arrest?
Yes, it is a detention, but should be based just like an arrest. To make the detention they must believe 51% or better that they will follow through with it. Its BS and pisses me off how lightly mental detentions are handled. They will throw a young girl in for being a cutter, like that will help her self esteem issues.
ReplyDeleteAlso the feds are really pushing another point as well.
Assault by contact tickets during domestic disputes. They are wanting to hold those convictions to the same standard as assault bodily injury. The difference we could be roommates play fighting and you push me 1 extra time and I take offense to it. well I call the cops they write you a ticket for something we were both doing 2 secs before, and now you can no longer buy or own a gun.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/26/supreme-court-guns-domestic-violence/6918457/
I'm seeing a very different reaction to this mass shooting than we saw with Sandy Hook. People are asking questions and I think those questions are going to stall any ability to push gun confiscation outside of Liberal areas like CA.
ReplyDeleteOn it's face, one has to wonder why Liberal gun-grabbers claim to have the answers when this little monster came from a Liberal gun-grabbing household in the first place! They create the psychopaths (Columbine, Sandy Hook, Aurora, etc...) and then want to disarm us?!? Yeah, that's a non-solution.
And what about the stabbings? Half the victims were stabbed with a knife, right? A total of six people being murdered is a tragedy, no doubt about it. But that's an average Friday night in Rahm Emmanuel's Liberal utopia where guns are nearly completely banned.
In terms of winning hearts and minds for the cause of gun control, Liberals are losing their edge. They have polarized the conversation with their stupidity and intellectual dishonesty--that is a good thing for the cause of freedom.
But if you are correct, as a precaution, we should all be having "the talk" with the important people in our lives. If a loved one allows us to be disarmed we are of no use that loved one later one--this is a bell that cannot be un-rung. Bring up the ACA. The promises of gov are broken and what are we left with? So we give up our guns for the warm cozy of false safety and when gov stands back in a crisis, then what? Or worse, gov abuses it's monopoly on violence and does the unthinkable as several government did in the 20th century. But the government behind Fast n' Furious, Benghazi, IRS scandal, and now the VA crisis would never do that, right? A government that has suspended the Constitution and stoked the fires of racial strife can be completely trusted, right?
It's no coincidence they are pushing for disarmament right now. They are losing control in all directions and they know it. There is no rational case for gun control--violence crime hasn't been this low since the mid-70s and is lowest in communities that respect gun rights.
We also need to stand up for one another. We cannot accept incremental confiscation as a "reasonable solution" to gun violence. It might be easy to ignore the door they kick in today, but it might be yours tomorrow.
So, what is the solution for mental health issues? Should action be taken or not?
DeleteWhat effective action can be taken? Psychologists are now labeling any vet who saw action as having PTSD (a mental illness). You want me to believe a young man who slept in the dirt and got shot at doesn't deserve his Second Amendment rights?
DeleteEverything is being perverted to move towards the next Liberal goal: Citizen disarmament. And only a useful idiot doesn't understand what happens the day after that. I won't accept that harm because some crazy person did something that was, predictably, crazy.
We are to believe that there are people so dangerous they can't own a manual, hand-held, weapon but live next door to us and our families--which is what the people "demanding action" are effectively saying. Does that make any sense? Doesn't make sense to me. A person is either a danger to society or he's not. We do the same thing with criminals and the revolving door criminal justice system. Nearly every crime is a felony, but the average felon is spending less than 18 months in prison. If a "felon" is so dangerous he must lose his rights, why are they kicking him loose?
If someone requires heavy medication just to remain functional, then there is a good chance that person does not belong in society. Anything less and you're gambling with the lives of others. But they won't let us draw the line there because it's not about safety--it's about disarmament, hence the wide net.
We are damned lucky that none of these monsters (several of whom have been highly intelligent) haven't figured out there are much more efficient ways of killing large numbers of people in the United States. (No, I won't list them) The hand-wringers ignore this because they are only focused on scary guns.
So no, I don't see any gun control "solutions" regarding mental health. The issue begs a larger question that is not being discussed because it is unpopular. And I think we have to accept that any "solution" will be imperfect--another reason I own guns (my safety doesn't depend on a bureaucrat keeping his word).
Of course, as Sol alludes, if I feel "sad" because something bad happens in my life at some point, I lose the ability to protect my family.
The real problem isn't even mental health its that these idiots do this to get noticed. They want to be known for something. Maybe if the media will stop making these idiots famous that might cut down on the number..
Deletereal statistics of aggravated assault. murder rate is skewed thanks to updates in medical care ....Of the aggravated assault offenses in 2010 for which law enforcement agencies provided expanded data, 27.4 percent were committed with personal weapons such as hands, fists, or feet. Slightly more than 20 percent (20.6) of aggravated assaults were committed with firearms, and 19.0 percent were committed with knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.1 percent of aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.
The guy knifed his three room mates to death and the only deaths anyone cares about are the ones caused by a shooting.
ReplyDeleteI'm from and live in Scotland and although people owning firearms (both legal and illegal) has never bothered us Scots (we've been dealing with the Brits invading a lot longer than you guys), every other country in the UK is slating America for it's "Ridiculous" gun laws, both the people and it's media.
Stand firm guys, someone needs to stand up to stand up to their government.
Best of luck guys, wish us some on September 18th this year. Freedom!
Ban Beemers and knives first. I also suggest picking up the killers parents and grilling them separately for about 12 hours under the premise of getting all the facts to the investigation. Ask them why their funds enabled murder (the killer had no job); why did they raise a psychopath? Let them leave the questioning knowing that they helped put all the resources in place to kill those people. Then maybe they would go home, do the right thing and hang themselves.
ReplyDeleteForced mental health checks at the point of gun license renewal is a great idea. No mentally troubled nutjob should even be able to touch a gun. Unfortunately, too many innocent blood has been shed so that the mentally troubled could keep their guns. Aurora shooting, Sandy hook shooting, and now this one all perpetrated by mentally ill people.
ReplyDeleteShame on the NRA for refusing to check if gun buyers are mentally fit to own a gun.
To many things get classified as mental health issues to do that and the real crazy people would still find a way. It would open the flood gates as mentioned earlier to a string of confiscations for anyone who goes to the doctor and says they've been feeling a little depressed lately, ---oh whats that your family pet died and your sad about it, I need report you to the authorities for liability sake. Don't get me wrong at face value your suggestion is good, but the mental health system needs to be revamped before it could be effective and not trample over peoples gun rights.
ReplyDeleteDo you feel that the general public would be willing to accept an increase in taxes to fund an improve the mental health system?
Deleteall of these problems in my mind rotate back to the problems with the economy.
Deletethe administration has no solution what have they done? they've pushed every interest group...especially gays and females. that has breeded resentment and that is the results of this situation.
additionally many experts were expecting people to go off the rails and we've seen a bit of it. a guy lost his house and killed his family. another family was destroyed for the same reason.
now we hear that the labor participation is at the lowest levels in decades.
we're seeing a reaction in Europe. we're going to see a reaction in the US....and it all comes back to the economy.
the administration knows this that's why they're pushing to get illegal immigration now...because once the sheeple wake up its going to be Katy bar the door.