Thanks USS Helm for the link!
The above photos show a confrontation between an Active Duty SgtMajor and a former Marine that is protesting outside Paris Island about the Bergdahl issue. Read the story here.
There is no reason for the SgtMajor to have gotten into a confrontation over this issue. If this is how senior enlisted now behave then good order and discipline is a thing of the past.
The above photos show a confrontation between an Active Duty SgtMajor and a former Marine that is protesting outside Paris Island about the Bergdahl issue. Read the story here.
There is no reason for the SgtMajor to have gotten into a confrontation over this issue. If this is how senior enlisted now behave then good order and discipline is a thing of the past.
I don't mind the protest, wearing an issued Marine campaign hat while doing it is what's illegal due to regulations forbidding it.
ReplyDeleteThe Sgt Major, Black is right, My Gunny would have deck that disgrace of Drill Instructor hats Muy Pronto.
Yae Verily, Thou shalt not wear a United States uniform or any part there in while making a political statement, attending a protest or riot.
"former Marine" Military reg's no longer apply to him. As much as some people would like other wise. Many Patriot Guard Riders also where uniform Caps, ranks, awards etc to rallies all the time. I would like to be their when you tell them the regs they are breaking. They will proibably die laughing.
DeleteHarlan, No, If you are Honorably discharged you still cannot wear your uniform nor any part there of to a protest for or against any political purpose, especially outside the Recruit training depots where friends and family of recruit Marines are being trained.
Delete1. Implementing 10 U.S.C. 772, the President, by Executive Order 10554 of 18 August 1954, delegated to the Secretary of Defense the authority to prescribe regulations under which persons may wear the uniform. The following excerpts from DoD Directive 1334.1 of 11 August 1969 outline these regulations:
a. Members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of reserve components). The wearing of the uniform is prohibited under any of the following circumstances:
(1) At any meeting or demonstration which is a function of, or sponsored by an organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons which the Attorney General of the United States has designated, pursuant to E.O. 10450, as amended as totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive, or as having adopted a policy of advocating or approving the commission of acts of force or violence to deny others their rights under The Constitution of the United States, or as seeking to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means.
(2) During or in connection with the furtherance of political activities, private employment or commercial interests, when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest could be drawn.
(3) Except when authorized by competent Service authority, when participating in activities such as public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies or any public demonstration (including those pertaining to civil rights), which may imply Service sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted.
(4) When wearing of the uniform would tend to bring discredit upon the Armed Forces.
(5) When specifically prohibited by regulations of the department concerned.
and,
1. Per 10 U.S.C. 771, no person, unless otherwise authorized by law, may wear the uniform or a distinctive part of the uniform of which is similar to a distinctive part of the Marine Corps uniform.
2. According to 18 U.S.C. 702, whoever wears the Marine Corps uniform without authority, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States will be fined not more than $250 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
3. According to 10 U.S.C. 772, the Marine Corps uniform may be worn by personnel not on active duty under the following conditions:
a. Retired Marine Corps officers may bear the title and wear the uniform of their retired grade.
b. Former Marines who are discharged honorably or under honorable conditions from the Marine Corps may wear their uniform while going from the place of discharge to their home of record, within three months after discharge.
c. Former Marines not on active duty who served honorably in time of war in the Marine Corps may bear the title, and as authorized by regulations prescribed by the President, wear the uniform of the highest grade held during that war (subparagraph 11002.1).
d. While portraying a member of the Marine Corps, an actor in a theatrical or motion picture production may wear the Marine Corps uniform provided the portrayal does not tend to discredit the Marine Corps.
e. While attending a course of military instruction conducted by the Marine Corps, a civilian may wear the uniform prescribed by the commander of the installation conducting the instruction.
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I was a Marine assaultman at seventeen when you were just a gleem in your daddies eye.
Don't tell me about Marine Corps uniform regulations Sir.
So when did the United States become a MILITARY DICTATOR SHIP? "DoD Directive 1334.1 of 11 August 1969" does not apply to a civilian. EVER. It only applies to military personal. It applies to Officers as they have a commission for life, unless the resign it. I guess that if you retired as a enlisted they could go after your retirement. But if you do not meet either of those and you are out for over 30 days the DOD can no longer give you orders.
DeleteAlso where did I tell you about Marine Core uniform regulation? I told you that as a civilian they did not apply to him any longer. Since you are talking about regs where is the SM cover? I believe he is out of uniform.....
Did you read the regulations above?
DeleteNo, you did not.
The United Sates Marine Corps is Not a Democracy it is a Military organization with rules and regulations. In a nutshell it is a Military Dictatorship.
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1. Implementing 10 U.S.C. 772, the President, by Executive Order 10554 of 18 August 1954, delegated to the Secretary of Defense the authority to prescribe regulations under which persons may wear the uniform. The following excerpts from DoD Directive 1334.1 of 11 August 1969 outline these regulations:
See that little sentence? This one, " prescribe regulations under which persons may wear the uniform." It does not say military only, nor civilians it states "Persons" or anyone.
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1. Per 10 U.S.C. 771, no person, unless otherwise authorized by law, may wear the uniform or a distinctive part of the uniform of which is similar to a distinctive part of the Marine Corps uniform.
1. Per 10 U.S.C. 771, no person, unless otherwise authorized by law, may wear the uniform or a distinctive part of the uniform of which is similar to a distinctive part of the Marine Corps uniform.
The distinctive part being the Campaign hat of the Marine Drill Instructors.
It applies to civilians,
d. While portraying a member of the Marine Corps, an actor in a theatrical or motion picture production may wear the Marine Corps uniform provided the portrayal does not tend to discredit the Marine Corps.
If he was a civilian he was demonstrating without a permit at least, a traffic hazard and see (D) above portraying a Marine in a discrediting manner.
Yes, a discharged Military service member can be reactivated for crimes committed under the UCMJ during, after and present and charged with them.
EXAMPLE: Disclosing secret material worked on during their service will bring the NCIS/CID to your door ASAP.
As for the Sergeant Major without a cover, please, He is a Sgt Major by God.
My Sgt Major served 30 years, He fought Japanese at fifteen Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese he was tough as nails.
You do not tell a Sgt Major what to do, he tells you.
Your just not up on military laws, rules, regulations nor History, ethics and tradition.
You did not tell me about Marine (core) Corps regulations, I told you.
The protester is NOT A MARINE? You are saying that Civilians have to take orders from the military? I am glad you are out, I could see you rounding up civilians and shooting them, like Chi Guevara. He felt that civilians should bow to military regs too.
DeleteYou never addressed the lack of his cover....
Are you accusing me of Murder? A War crime?
DeleteI thought so.
The Order was made by: " the President, by Executive Order 10554 of 18 August 1954,"
The President if you don't know it is a civilian who made this law.
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"I am glad you are out, I could see you rounding up civilians and shooting them, like Chi Guevara"
Bubba, I stepped foot in Oakland California airport on my way home from WestPac at nineteen, I was spit on by this young blonde girl and called a baby killer by several folks on my way to the boarding area. I flew Military stand by and got an empty seat in first class! The business suit in the seat beside me grimaced and cursed, then asked the stewardess for a change of seats he even took one in couch to flee my baby killing smell.
I flew first class all the way home being stared out and cursed even laughed at while I sat, thin, dehydrated and tired from my long flight across the pacific from Yakota airbase Japan to Travis California, five more hours and I'd be home. I have had friends call me a killer, baby killer and rapist, I still had almost two more years to go a couple of deployments later and then I was out, married at 21 I went down to the employment man at the labor board and he said, "we have two jobs for folks like you, Security job or the Mafia, Ha, Ha, Ha, he laughed.
So, your calling me a war criminal, a murdering baby killer and comparing me to a Communist terrorist who wasn't much more than the Communist I had been fighting back then.
Don't worry, I won't take offense, I've been called worse by better people than you.
I've been buddies with fought and suffered with much, much better folks than you also.
Just so ya know, My Brother was a Marine Gulf war, two of his sons Iraq and Afganistan, My son was a Marine Iraq and afganistan and We lost a family member in Iraq who was a Paratrooper.
My service cost me my hearing, gave me a skin rash no one knows what it is and gave me the most pride for fellow Marines I could ever have.
I love my country, warts and all.
The cover?
Fo'Shizzle ya l'il nitpicker
. When outdoors, Marines should remain covered, including during invocations and other religious portions of military ceremonies (i.e., changes of command, ship commissionings, military burials, etc.). Marines will uncover outdoors when so ordered or during religious services not associated with a military ceremony. Chaplains will be guided by the customs of their respective churches with respect to wearing head coverings.
He was the Base Command Sergeant Major, Highest ranking Marine on site, at his discretion he allowed himself to be outdoors uncovered as he was obviously preparing to do some P. T.
Happy?
Executive orders only apply to the Executive Branch and are not the law. The fact that you do not under stand this is disturbing on so many levels.
DeleteMaybe you should ask your brother, he might be able to explain this simple concept to you. For some reason you seem to think that Military regs should apply to non-military personnel. The fact that does not bother you should cause you to reconsider your thinking.
My father was in Nam as well, he was also in GW1, he did 23 and got out when the downsizing started. I did 6 I hope to never see Bosnia again. It does not change the fact that an "Executive Order" only applies to the Executive Branch and is NOT A LAW.
damn Zebra, were people just bigger assholes in the past or something??
DeleteHe should have known better, at P.I. for crixus sakes.
ReplyDeleteThe SM had every right to get involved. He was a young Marine once and he didn't do stupid illegal things against authority, I'll wager.
ReplyDeleteHere this young wet-behind-the-ears Marine was apparently asked by an experienced SM (who wears the Bronze Star with Vee) to not make a political statement wearing any uniform article and the pup in effect said F-U sergeant major.
Dumb move, and look at the result, with the SM arrested and ruined. I hope the young pup is happy with that. Hey, I did my own thing and stuck it to the sergeant major.
PS: As for george's remark it's extremely offensive.
Thank you & semper fi.
Deleteyeah Don, i only stop in sporadically to monitor comments....guys like George make me tempted to kill the comment section but discussions open up other lines of thought that i consider it a valuable source of intel...plus people leave links in the comments so it'll stay up. people like George need to start judging individuals and stop letting the hatred of one man cloud everything.
DeleteThis incident could be big, could rip the Corps.
ReplyDeleteThis just gets to me, I'm sorry.
What does "semper fi" mean, if it doesn't apply to a decorated sergeant major?
I don't care if you're an E-3, an E-5, an O-5 or even an 0-7 -- you would be wise not to have a disagreement with a sergeant major.
How many MC sergeants major are there?
They will be watching.
Watch this: Here's Sgt. Maj. Paul Archie in prison garb.
And Here's Sgt. Maj. Paul Archie in uniform. I count eight rows, including BS w/V.
DeleteWhen Colin Powell an the other blacks who vote 93% for blacks start acting like individuals maybe then they will be treated as individuals
DeleteSEMPER FI
i'm black you son of a bitch
DeleteGEORGE: You dumb S O B, what the hell does race have to do with this?
DeleteFor Crixus sakes, Colin Powell Is an Army Man.
My best buddies in the Corps came in Black, Latino, white rednecks and big city Yankees, west Va Coal miners and Missouri cowboys, even a smattering of Apache's, Lakota and Japanese, Filipino, Part German, dumb and dumber, smart and smarter.
Red, Yellow, Black and brown all gifted motivated and United States Marines, all brothers.
And Dude, Semper Fi in Marine speak means fuck you I got mine.
It's Semper Fidelis when it's meant.
Floggin' idjit midjit.
DeleteHow many?
DeleteEach Battalion has One, each Regiment has one, each Division has one The entire Corps has one and each installation or base big enough has one.
Rule Number One, A Sgt Major is not to be screwed around with.
My Battalion Sgt Major back in the old corps of 1973-74 fought the Imperial Japanese military on Bougainvillea when he was fifteen, Saipan, Pelilui, he could run you to dirt and force march you to death and back.
A real United States by God Marine.
Was he upset about the campaign cover or upset about the protest? Guess it doesn't matter because every active duty Marine knows you don't go hands on with a civie. PERIOD! A Marine is a representative of the entire Marine Corps at all times.
ReplyDeleteIs wearing any part of the USMC uniform bad form (unless retired)? Yes, of course. And yes, a DI above all knows that. My blues and alphas have stayed bagged--pressed first, of course. But you can't put your hands on a civilian to correct his bad judgment.
My Gunny would have choked the livin' shit out of this clown and then done CPR, brought him back to life and choked the livin' shit outa him again just for shits and giggles.
DeleteHell.
i worked for Sgt Maj Archie. Love the man as a Senior Enlisted, some of my best years at 2nd tracks had him as our soul.
ReplyDeleteAs for the indecent. Sgt Maj told him he could demonstrate if he wanted to the day prior, he simply ask he refrain from wearing any part of a Marine Corps uniform. To wear the Campaign Cover...well you brought that on to yourself. I for one have no problem with this incident, and honestly feel that it should read "Sgt Maj uses his presence to render a improper uniform correction on the spot."
this whole thing is sketchy as hell. its unclear whether this is a Marine or a civilian. its unclear whether it happened on base or off. this is just a shit sandwich.
Deletealso what kind of charges is the SgtMajor facing? theft and simple assault shouldn't have him confined and he should have been released on his own recognizance....that didn't happen so did they inflate charges????
assault and battery (3rd degree?). He had to come in to get sentenced and was put on bail if i recall
DeleteThe guy was a former DI, who had gotten out, knows better...just trying to act the fool. Im all for him wanting to use his rights, but he knows better.
I am on the Sgt Major's side, I expect the court martial will re activate the DI hat wearing fool, if he was a Marine that is, and charge him with,
Deletewearing a uniform article at a subversive demonstration
Inciting a riot and or mutiny.
creating a hazardous traffic situation.
and most foul,
Pissing off a Sgt Major of the United States Marine Corps.
Sol, Correctional custody confinement for safe keeping most likely pending investigation.
DeleteWho does the Sgt Maj think he is telling a civilian what to, or not to, wear outside of a military facility? Clearly this Sgt Maj seems to forget his place in society and, that as far as civilians are concerned, he's just the hired help. It would behoove for him to refrain from making any comments on, and objecting to, any political activity that occurs outside the gate.
ReplyDeleteCuban pete: " Clearly this Sgt Maj seems to forget his place in society" His Place?
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I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
Hat Tip about (dot) com kipling.
>Kipling<
"Hicks? Hicks is just a Grunt, No Offense meant"
"None Taken".
>Cpl Hicks The movie Aliens<
Sgt Major Paul Archie was his Plt Honor Graduate, he earned LCpl out of Basic.
ReplyDeletehe trained Recruits as a DI, Trained DI's as a DI, DI. Then he trained Officer candidates at Quantico as a DI.
Two tours in Iraq.
He is the Command Sgt Major of the Parris Island recruit training depot SC
His awards are
His personal awards include the Bronze Star Medal with Combat V, Meritorious Service Medal, Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal with three gold stars in lieu of fourth award, Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal, Combat Action Ribbon with one gold star in lieu of second award, Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal and numerous unit and service awards. He completed a Bachelor of Arts degree in 2004 from Averett University in Virginia.
This Man is Tops, smart and college trained.
I'd say "He knows his place."
Sol, someone mentioned in the comments over at CDR Salamander that this guy asked ahead about protesting and wearing his campaign cover. Sgt. Major Archie actually handled the call and told the protester (Ethan Arguello, allegedly a former DI) no. Archie blew his top, but I'm not sure that it is so much a result of a deteriorating discipline, as it might be of a Corps at war for 10 years. Maybe someone mentioned this before, but Sgt. Maj. Archie has filed his resignation since the incident. Damn shame.
ReplyDeleteyeah i heard that but didn't want to give this news anymore time....having said that i'm thinking its deteriorating discipline because if this was one of his rookie Drill Instructors with his first cycle and they did this he'd be all over them like a cheap suit. he would have had the guy turn in his campaign cover and he'd get an adverse fitness report. as it is he was the one doing it and he knew better.
Deletebeing at war doesn't excuse losing your mind over what is actually a simple issue. SgtMajor Archie has had a great career and if its ending i wish it wasn't on this note, but the truth must be said. he fucked up.