I've been alarmed by the US govt allowing US citizens into the country with Ebola. I wrote the CDC with these simple questions...
That's bullshit on a biscuit.
I don't know why the mainstream media isn't attempting to run down the facts on this issue but I'm beginning to wonder what is exactly going on here. The citizens of this country has a right to know the decision making process behind this issue of public safety. I ask again. Why isn't the mainstream media trying to get answers to these questions.
My readers suggest that the CDC was the authority that ordered that the two US citizens that contracted the disease be brought into the country. Is this true? Did you have to seek permission from the President? What are the safeguards in a worst case scenario situation? Is it true that upon death, people that have contracted the disease are incinerated?Sharon Hoskins with CDC public relations wrote back and said this...
Hi Solomon: The State Department has oversight for evacuations (including medical) of U.S. citizens.Plain talk.
That's bullshit on a biscuit.
I don't know why the mainstream media isn't attempting to run down the facts on this issue but I'm beginning to wonder what is exactly going on here. The citizens of this country has a right to know the decision making process behind this issue of public safety. I ask again. Why isn't the mainstream media trying to get answers to these questions.
LOL. Sharon basically told you to F-O.
ReplyDeleteMainstream media don't have the brains to know the implications if you have a full-blown ebola outbreak in a populated area. If you've seen the movie Resident Evil, then this is it. One case, albeit a small one, of a runaway virus and it's time to go bunker and wait for the storm.
You also need to question this, let's say a few infected people are isolated in an area, would some with the balls authorize a napalm strike or are we going to get some bonehead to launch a Supreme Court action?
Ebola is a death sentence to anyone who gets it. 80% mortality rate. No known cure.
worse than that. the female said fuck me and to kiss her ass. that's why i put her name out there. i would have preferred no reply than that piece of garbage.
DeleteThe female?
DeleteWhat the hell, man?
ah Frank you didn't like me calling a female a female? i don't give a fuck. don't read my blog if you don't like it.
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DeleteIt comes across as very misogynist, buddy.
DeleteJust say it out loud. "The female" Would you ever talk like that in public? You ever to be thicker than concrete not to know the vast of majority of people would consider it absolutely unacceptable to ever talk like that.
i repeat. i don't give a fuck. you're not upset by some govt drone not answering a legit question. you're mad because i correctly identified her gender and referred to her by the same.
Deletedon't like it, then don't read my blog. oh and i'm not your fucking buddy.
I am willing to bet her e-mail contained more than that, friend. I've had many dealings with government press officers; single sentence responses are extremely rare.
DeleteAnd why is her gender important, anyways? Do you have something against females, Solomon? Do you take particular exception when they don't respond as you desire?
it was just an ordinary conversation and i didn't think twice about the "female" part. you're making the huge deal about that. kinda feminine are ya? well again. don't like it....
Deleteoh and i didn't "crop" her e-mail. that is exactly as i got it. you're such a silly little fuck ain't ya? the US govt is hiding information from the American people and your Canadian ass can't wrap your brains around the fact that its a no-go.
oh and the e-mail you sent talking about "i'm sending Sharon a link to your blog" like i'm suppose to suddenly get scared is cute....kinda childish, kinda wanting a woman to fight your battles, kinda feminine and kinda pussified. grow some balls you son of a bitch.
Frank, you should know to check any politically correct bullshit at the door when you come here.
DeleteSol, please keep using straight talk. Most dudes have zero problem with it.
People who talk openly and honestly don't engage in PC candy-wrapper bullshit? Say it ain't so! ;)
DeleteAccording to the latest news update, the two US patients are recovering aided by some kind of experimental medication. I guess that's the reason behind the decision of bringing them back to the states for treatment.
ReplyDeletefirst we don't know if they've fully healed or not. another report says that its common for Ebola patients to show improvement and then die. next, its still a huge risk. something goofy happened in Africa. either they broke protocol or the disease can get through standard barriers. either way we're dealing with too many unknowns to risk bringing these people into the US.
Delete1) They're already here. Deal with it.
Delete2) They're in BL4 containment, at one of the premier infectious disease units in the world. Them being here isn't a huge risk, it's not even a slight risk. Miniscule comes closest to accurately describing the level of risk. If it were otherwise, then the humane thing to do would be to shoot all Ebola victims on sight from a distance, or nuke the countries from orbit as the only way to be sure.
3) They didn't break protocol, there ARE no protocols (in practice) in Africa. Bear in mind these are countries that were still sharpening and re-using injection needles 10 years after HIV became a thing, just like they were taught to do in the 1940s, and in no small part because they have no supplies. They sure as hell don't have the pallets of backstock in disposable gloves, gowns, and masks it takes to care for even one isolation patient, let alone hundreds of them.
The doctor probably kept treating patients despite the lack of any protective equipment; the woman was decon'ing other items completely without wearing protective items. This is why epidemics there kill people like mowing the grass, and how the two became infected.
To keep harping on two people in containment isolation whom we know to have Ebola is pointless, and frankly beyond hysterical. On a scale of 0 to 10 as to how worrisome their presence is, they're a fraction, not even a whole number. Even bringing it up is like the Sundance Kid being worried about jumping off a cliff because he can't swim.
The critical problem is the unknown number of infected persons who have travelled onward to elsewhere or who soon will, and eventually may come to the US with no freaking idea whether or not they're infected, with no screening, no containment, no quarantines, and no limit on how many other people they can infect during the 2-21 day latent period of the infection. Everyone from the top down keeps rolling the dice, and so far they've been lucky. Basic statistics suggests they (and we) will not be so lucky indefinitely, but the current approach is like skydiving a failed parachute, and waiting to hit the ground before one becomes anxious or takes steps. When the first Ebola patient on the loose in the wild is discovered in the US, batten down the hatches: the panic and furor will hit "11".
As far as whether the two known patients are "fully healed or not", my working assumption is "not", and that they'll probably both die, given the mortality associated with the disease. Even the rosiest take of morbidity/mortality suggest that at least one of the two will die.
If they both survive, it's quite possible that some benefit may have been obtained from the one dose of pre-experimental Ebola vaccine that the woman received, or the transfusion the doc got with an Ebola survivor's blood (including presumably Ebola antibodies), either or both of which could lead to a vaccine to prevent the disease in future. That bare possibility alone is an excellent reason to have them hospitalized just up the road from the CDC. If the likelier outcome follows, and they die, at least they'll have had a chance for their families to see them and speak to them first, and they won't have died in some $#!^hole third-world faux hospital, alone and surrounded by strangers.
i really don't care what you think is hysterical. don't like? don't read my blog.
DeleteI can't believe Solomon preaching leaving US Citizens on duty(They were on humanitarian missions to Africa) behind because retrieving them is considered too risky/dangerous.
DeleteDoes Solomon also preach leaving stranded US marines behind the enemy line because the enemy is too dangerous(Think China, Russia or North Korea)? Does Solomon oppose the actions of those Seal Team Six members who boarded Chinook to rescue fellow US soldiers surrounded by Taliban because the mission was too dangerous?
No one should be left behind, and the US has an obligation to retrieve all its citizens who were serving the direct interests of the US overseas.
you know what? check out military history. the USAF threw lives away trying to rescue one pilot. helicopter crews, A-1 Sandy pilots and other fighters were lost because the enemy would setup traps around a downed pilot. in my mind it didn't make sense either morally or militarily to risk so many lives for one person. motto's are one thing. reality is something else.
Deletenow back to the Ebola case. they weren't on duty, they were missionaries. they knew the risk. and knowing the particulars of this disease the lives of two people are not worth risking an outbreak of this disease inside the US, no matter how small the chances are.
this was stupid. it was thinking with your heart instead of your brains.
as far as your statement that no one should be left behind? you're full of shit, you're full of bravado and you're full of idiocy. again. these were missionaries. learn the facts of the issue before you decide to comment. your arrogance is frustrating and your opinions useless.
All it will take is a disgruntled employee, a over population zealot or end of the world Ideological fool and Ebola will get out into the general population for spite, for some God figure or for the children of the future.
DeleteOne Hypodermic syringe with infected blood and it's loose.
Bring out your dead. >rings bell<
Yes, Solomon, it's your blog, and from what I've read in your other posts on other topics, you're a better thinker than that, and a better man than that.
DeleteThere is plenty to cause anyone who's rational grave concerns and serious doubts about what US officialdom is doing (or rather, not doing) in regard to this Ebola outbreak. We're cursed with having the least adult and most retarded administration in living memory, and that's showing daily.
But putting two people into level 4 containment isn't the problem. Everything else is.
Why do you think the administration and the media happygas-passers are busy hyping what amounts to a milk-and-cookies mission so heavily, while being twelve kinds of shy or altogether silent about the other unnamed US cases being tested for Ebola, coupled with the total dearth of actual precautions, and the sudden worldwide rise in people who get off planes from Sierra Leone and Liberia having convenient "heart attacks" when they collapse in foreign airports?
The emperor isn't just naked here, he's doing a long routine on a stripper pole, and nobody's even commenting.
Solomon,
ReplyDeleteThose "missionary" doctors serve the US national diplomatic interests. After all, it is the USA that African countries looks to in times of crisis, not China, and this affords US with an enormous influence in the region that countries like China can only envy. If it wasn't for the works of those missionaries, the US would become just another western imperial power like Britain and France.
And if it wasn't for the works of those missionary doctors, then this whole Ebola outbreak would have been far more widespread by now. Retrieving them posed no real risk to the health of American general public because the US had isolated facilities to treat them safely. Leaving behind those missionaries because this 0.001% risk that they might spread outside of the isolation wards is morally not acceptable.
don't try and spin your original statement. you were talking out your ass attempting to take the popular position on an issue that is much broader than your drive by activism cares to admit.
Deletewe're talking about the national security of the United States. one mistake and we have an outbreak in one of our largest cities.
bringing those people here was a BIG ASS MISTAKE.
missionaries are serving there church, not the US. don't get it twisted. as far as where countries look during times of crisis, they need to look to themselves. Americans are sick of being blamed for the world's troubles and then being the banker, nurse and warriors for people that are able to defend themselves but choose not to. from S. Korea being able to defend itself but still wanting US troops on their soil and then bitching like a butch of old hags about us being there, to the Europeans who get bailed out by our central bank because they're too fucking cheap to do it themselves and then hear them whine about US power....its fucking sickening.
you can't twist this shit. you came here and thought you would express moral outrage and the only thing outrageous is your statement.
CDC Atlanta Ga and Emory Hospital recently June 20 2014 to be exact had an anthrax out break due to some "expert" leaving a container open. Over or about 80 workers were exposed.
DeleteThen there are the lethal strain of Smallpox found in some box stored somewhere not secure.
My confidence in the ability of the CDC/Emory to not screw the pooch on this Ebola is limited.
The Smallpox box dated to the NIH in the 1950's and had nothing to do with the CDC.
DeleteI recall the 500,000 FEMA disposable coffin's once located near Atlanta Georgia.
ReplyDeleteOrdered by the government with no reason given.
500,000 at One Billion dollars in bulk.
No one knows where they went.
Another thing, even when someone survives Ebola the virus can stay alive in their semen for 6 - 8 weeks. I think that's gonna be what triggers an epidemic. People love to fuck. Someone is gonna think they're cured and is gonna shoot some broad full of poison. She'll spread to others in the 2 - 21 days it takes to incubate.
ReplyDeleteI really don't think the 2 people at the hospital are a terribly big deal, but anything can happen. If they survive they'll need to be quarantined for months.