Actually, the 'mitznefet' can be attached (while folded) to the helmet, so you may think it's not worn anymore, but it's still there . Some of the guys on the pics even wearing it. I suppose some posters might question its use, but that would be due mostly to ignorance.
ignorance? not ignorance just not buying the justification for it. quite honestly i've always viewed it as a traditional rather than practical item. it doesn't matter one bit if your foe has even moderate tech. in that case soldier skills, tactics and the quality of your helmet counts more than something that "breaks up the outline" of a helmet.
sure, that's one way of looking at it. personally i've tried it first hand and think it is quite useful in certain situations. Of course wearing it while on the move or when carrying out an ground assault doesnt make much sense, I'll give you that. But the reason you may see some guys wear it while in plain sight, is because they like to use it for the shade it gaves you in the sun.
I said there weren't too many about not that were none. Look at the pictures here not many being worn. And knowing soldiers as I do if they aren't being worn now they probably won't be worn later. Mainly because if they are being worn they are not going to be carried. Whether it is any use I don't know. Anything that breaks an outline helps I suppose.
Regarding moderate tech, just gonna add that you can use the mitznefet to alter your thermal signature ... if you know how. I would say that is definitely beyond the traditional "breaking up the outline of helmet" thing
I know Mordechai won't like it if I say it again, but nonetheless IDF is a draft army not an all volunteer force like you have ... Clothing in general might not be same standards, but then again, we're not out to win the a prize at the Paris military fashion week ;-)
I would still recon you could expect more $ to be invested in the most basic gear ,good clothes make a big difference in comfort and fatigue over time,you can allways bill US congress. Instead we see some of worlds most advanced gear mixedup with some 80's surplus clothing
these guys have been out in the field in combat conditions for what...a month? no one and i mean no military unit in the world is going to be looking squared away. tactically they might be sharper than ever but they're gonna look "sloppy". additionally when you take the stress of the fighting, little sleep, and when you do get sleep its in uncomfortable conditions and then everyone loses weight then you have what you see above.
this is no big deal. oh and as far as the olive drab uniforms are concerned, i've been told that it has to do with easy recognition. Arab Armies just love camo of every type to include our digital stuff and its just easier for the IDF to stick with the tried and true olive drab. besides when it gets dusty and muddy it performs as well as the fancier (or so the manufacturers would have us believe) stuff.
Kinda off topic, but this article reminded me of what you say re: our military having too much emphasis on airpower:
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.608342
IDF’s worrisome shortcomings revealed in Gaza operation The Israeli army relies too much on air force, neglects ground forces, a failure most prominent in handling of Hamas' tunnels.
Call me a traditionalist, I really dig their green-olive uniforms. Kinda remind me of US troops from Vietnam era. Camo pattern is unnatural and visually repulsive
Ok, I could be wrong but it don't think so, saw this in other draft armies. The point behind the loose close is that when you're drafted, you don't get a fit gear, no one bothers with your measures. This is done on purpose because this will force you to get in contact with the other draftees, trying to match your gear and footwear, forging the first relations in your unit. Don't know it this is the case here, perhaps looser close are preferred because of the weather conditions.
There don't appear to be many baggy helmet covers about this war.
ReplyDeletei noticed that too. even funnier? i'll try and find the pic but i thought i saw a trooper wearing a ACH!
DeleteActually, the 'mitznefet' can be attached (while folded) to the helmet, so you may think it's not worn anymore, but it's still there . Some of the guys on the pics even wearing it.
DeleteI suppose some posters might question its use, but that would be due mostly to ignorance.
ignorance? not ignorance just not buying the justification for it. quite honestly i've always viewed it as a traditional rather than practical item. it doesn't matter one bit if your foe has even moderate tech. in that case soldier skills, tactics and the quality of your helmet counts more than something that "breaks up the outline" of a helmet.
Deletesure, that's one way of looking at it. personally i've tried it first hand and think it is quite useful in certain situations. Of course wearing it while on the move or when carrying out an ground assault doesnt make much sense, I'll give you that.
DeleteBut the reason you may see some guys wear it while in plain sight, is because they like to use it for the shade it gaves you in the sun.
@ Hecate
DeleteI said there weren't too many about not that were none. Look at the pictures here not many being worn. And knowing soldiers as I do if they aren't being worn now they probably won't be worn later. Mainly because if they are being worn they are not going to be carried. Whether it is any use I don't know. Anything that breaks an outline helps I suppose.
True to what you said ! I stand corrected :-)
DeleteRegarding moderate tech, just gonna add that you can use the mitznefet to alter your thermal signature ... if you know how. I would say that is definitely beyond the traditional "breaking up the outline of helmet" thing
ReplyDeleteWhats up with all these overly baggy pants and clothes in general in IDF don't seem to fit
ReplyDeleteI know Mordechai won't like it if I say it again, but nonetheless IDF is a draft army not an all volunteer force like you have ... Clothing in general might not be same standards, but then again, we're not out to win the a prize at the Paris military fashion week ;-)
DeleteI would still recon you could expect more $ to be invested in the most basic gear ,good clothes make a big difference in comfort and fatigue over time,you can allways bill US congress.
DeleteInstead we see some of worlds most advanced gear mixedup with some 80's surplus clothing
i think you're seeing it wrong Mr. T.
Deletethese guys have been out in the field in combat conditions for what...a month? no one and i mean no military unit in the world is going to be looking squared away. tactically they might be sharper than ever but they're gonna look "sloppy". additionally when you take the stress of the fighting, little sleep, and when you do get sleep its in uncomfortable conditions and then everyone loses weight then you have what you see above.
this is no big deal. oh and as far as the olive drab uniforms are concerned, i've been told that it has to do with easy recognition. Arab Armies just love camo of every type to include our digital stuff and its just easier for the IDF to stick with the tried and true olive drab. besides when it gets dusty and muddy it performs as well as the fancier (or so the manufacturers would have us believe) stuff.
Kinda off topic, but this article reminded me of what you say re: our military having too much emphasis on airpower:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.608342
IDF’s worrisome shortcomings revealed in Gaza operation
The Israeli army relies too much on air force, neglects ground forces, a failure most prominent in handling of Hamas' tunnels.
Call me a traditionalist, I really dig their green-olive uniforms. Kinda remind me of US troops from Vietnam era. Camo pattern is unnatural and visually repulsive
ReplyDeleteOk, I could be wrong but it don't think so, saw this in other draft armies. The point behind the loose close is that when you're drafted, you don't get a fit gear, no one bothers with your measures. This is done on purpose because this will force you to get in contact with the other draftees, trying to match your gear and footwear, forging the first relations in your unit.
ReplyDeleteDon't know it this is the case here, perhaps looser close are preferred because of the weather conditions.