Global Research Blog has an interesting take on the "Russian Invasion" of Ukraine.
They seem to think that we're all the victims of a NATO psy-ops campaign. Why? Because we have yet to see evidence of Russian armor or artillery INSIDE Ukraine.
Quite honestly all we've seen is a bunch of infantry running around engaged in gunfights....a bit of armor, both conventional and hillbilly, but nothing that proves the fact that the Russians have invaded. Read the story here.
They seem to think that we're all the victims of a NATO psy-ops campaign. Why? Because we have yet to see evidence of Russian armor or artillery INSIDE Ukraine.
Quite honestly all we've seen is a bunch of infantry running around engaged in gunfights....a bit of armor, both conventional and hillbilly, but nothing that proves the fact that the Russians have invaded. Read the story here.
"They seem to think that we're all the victims of a NATO psy-ops campaign"
ReplyDeleteThat's how it works, the russians did that all the time, non-stop, be it peace or war, for their disgusting, sinister, interests.
They did it through the media, through diplomacy, or simply by killing.
rusia is like an ISIS in it's full imaginary glory, the only difference is that rusia is in Europe and christian (for now)
No. ISIS in full glory would be them beheading every one of the three hundred million americans living in the US.
DeleteComparing these two is as stupid and empty-minded as it gets.
it wasn't a "mathematical" comparison, the attitude towards its neighbours and not only, was always a savage one despite the clear military (numbers and not only) advantage
Delete+ the provocations in the Balkans, they have about 2-3 "islands" there, funny, those aren't even natives on those lands and the discussions appear especially because of historical disputes, typical russian stuff, bringing up "brotherhoods" and 14 olds arguments
I got a M-1911A1 they can try to behead this boy.
Deletebetter bring more than twenty one haji's though.
Sol,
ReplyDeleteYou're spot on. There's no proof of Russian military tech being deployed. The video supposedly showing the T-72BM shows no signs of it being in actual Ukraine, and they do have these tanks (just not the modern versions).
I think we all know what a Russian invasion is like. They don't hold back in using everything at hand.
By these tanks, read variants of the T-72.
DeleteThere's also this:
http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine/heres_why_natos_evidence_russian_invasion_completely_unconvincing
Brunus some time ago Sol' show a vid with BTR-80A on separatist side... so yeah, the is a slid proof that ad least Russia send APC's to them.
DeleteI didn't see it. But what's the notable external difference between BTR-80A and BTR-80 (which Ukraine has four hundred afaik) that allows us to tell it's a russian and not ukranian? (honest question)
DeleteHere it is:
Deletehttp://snafu-solomon.blogspot.com/2014/08/need-russian-speakers-to-help-please.html
There is couple of differences between 80 and 80A but the most visible is the new unnamed turret. Te Ukrainian army have only older variants of 80 with standard maned turret. 80A. In Europe only Hungary posses them... and in EuroAsiatic zone Russia and Kazakhstan.
Pictures speak more then words.
DeleteHere is a BTR-80 (Ukrainian one in Iraq)
http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum_pic/btr80_001.JPG
And here it is BTR-80A
http://weaponsystems.net/image/s-lightbox/n-BTR-82A/--/img/ws/ve_apc_btr80_o1.jpg
Now you see the difference?
Those T72 might why Ukraine just bought in Hungary ,US is offering Croatia Blackhawk hellos if they in turn send their Mi-8 to Ukraine ,as far as we can tell Ukraine has for some time been recieving all sorts of gear so its now becoming harder to say what is Ukrainian issue T72 is definetly now also part of Ukrainian arsenal. Tenders ure up for sle of Mi-24 and Mig -29 no fear uncle sam will pay for these well used toys like he did for T72 and will for Mi-8mtv helos
Deletehttps://news.vice.com/article/nato-isnt-arming-ukraine-just-like-russia-isnt-fighting-there
http://www.hidfo.net/2014/08/12/hulladekvas-araert-eladott-honvedsegi-harckocsik-utban-az-ukrajnai-haboru-fele
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-croatian-helicopter-swap-triangle-mi-8s-for-uh-60s-026696/
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140826/DEFREG01/308260021/Croatia-Eyes-Acquiring-US-Helos-Supplying-Copters-Ukraine
Russian invasion?
DeleteFirst day of world war three Soviet forces planned on atom bombing with walking drum fire the area ahead of their assaulting Tanks and Motor rifles from the East German border to Amsterdam and Rotterdam ports And the Channel.
All of Belgium, Netherlands, West Germany would have had a huge swath of land from the shores of the North Sea to the border with Switzerland the area was to be roasted, irradiated and drenched in Chemicals.
Quite willing to put their attack Army assaulting into these deadly areas until they succumbed to the effects or died by the NATO reverse scorched earth tactics of bombing Soviet Army groups from West German to Amsterdam and Rotterdam with atom bombs as well.
Russian invasion will be with every assets available, Chemical, Nuclear and biological.
Driving the civilians ahead of them to use as human shields and mine sweepers.
Russia fights to win.
NATO fights to bitch.
US fights to not fight.
democrats fight republicans, Christian's and conservatives.
republican's fight to be stupid.
Sucks to be us.
No tanks, Nato said 1000 starwars stormtroopers not only encircled thousands of Ukrainian troops but at the same time blitzed some 100km deep into Ukraine and all that without steady supply line following.
ReplyDeleteFor now we can only be sure for 100% in terms of more heavy equipment that Russia send APC's.
ReplyDeleteBtw: for now the next chapter of From Russia with Love... Russians provoke or mistake situation when Polish Air Traffic Control was forced to forbid the Russian plane with MoD Siergiej Szojgu to enter Polish Air space. Flight was declare by Russian pilot as military one and the law clearly say that every military flights need to be submit 7 days before fly or in special situations 72 hours for both Air Control and Polish Air Force. In this situation the Air Control had no choice and forbid entering the airspace. After some time Russian pilot correctly submit flight as civilian one and without problem receive permission to fly thru Polish airspace.
And in that situation the Russians start to act like lunatics. The vice-boss of Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs go in to full maniac zone calling this as "brutal break of norms and ethic of international contacts" it then go in to total nut job with "It is an blasphemy excess against historical memory and merits of people who save Europe from fascism". 0_0
Batshit crazy... they are all batshit crazy lunatics.
Yeah Shas! When I have read that in the morning the news just made my day, for russian government that case have been as blasphemy against a right hand of a living god.
DeleteI became accustomed to that type of ridiculous statement from Russian Ministry, when the last time Romania refuse Russian plane to enter it's airspace they threaten them that next time they will fly in strategic bomber. For language of diplomacy they just act for some time like total idiots and lunatics. I don't know where they take those dudes...in mental hospitals?
DeleteAnd that Russians were unable to proceed with international law in terms of entering other nation airspace in Poland fault! Just like the whole fucking world was already their property!
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DeleteI call that politicians from the government primitive men with a cudgel and primitive rhetoric, they can do only one thing they are flexing muscles because it seems there are no brain in the heads. I am wondering how do Western Europe states live without any threats or weapon demonstrations to each other? It's civilization.
DeleteI Saw only one BTR80A, with no geographical indication like city pannel / shop / or anithing that sounds ukrainian : Just the sound band iditify the ukrainian aspect.
DeleteEven if it's in ukrainia, because there is only one, i bet this one come either chechnya or georgia border fighters...
APC don't travel alone with army..
I take your bet... for now not a single info resurface that South Ossetia posses even the BTR-80 series not to mention 80A. The same case with Chechnya. The military sources acknowledge that in Europe only Hungary have 80A. In EuroAsia, Russia and Kazakhstan. In Asia, Indonesia. In Africa, Sudan. There is possibility of single models in different country's but NOT in those you mention.
DeleteI know, I know fabsther... when they catch you by your hand, say it's not your hand.
And about that bet... I prefer good mead. You can send it to me in some time. ;)
From what we have seen Hungary has been seeling gear trough Czech intermediar into Ukraine , BTR80A could just happen to be ont he shooping list.
DeleteHungary did not sell the main IFV of it's army to Ukraine, there would be a info about that. The only picture/vid of BTR-80A show it in separatist hands. Not a single pic/vid that it was in Ukrainian hands or that Hungary send that to them. Especially when Hungary current government is in Putin's pocket. When the Russia give you a massive loan... this came with specific rules how to act.
DeleteSo provided there are no russian forces in Ukraine, it would be perfectly cool for the states to lend Ukraine a few tomahawks and bust a few military convoys? I don't see why this would cause any discontent in Russia.
ReplyDeleteВсасывается в пожарной мешок и уничтожены в деталях.
DeleteOld Russian term.
also known as Maskirovka.
DeleteSomething wrong with the term, can you show me in english?
DeleteKill with (artillery) fire and then destroy in detail.
DeleteOK steve, it should sound another way in russian.
Delete1Modeus: Suck enemy into fire sack, use maximum deception then kill everyone with maximum firepower.
DeleteIt's called a Fire sack.
It's translated and since Russian is gobble, gobbled and mush, mush it doesn't translate well.
According to rebel sources, this is what they captured from 16-23 august, with more coming to them as they push:
ReplyDelete14 T-64, 25 IFVs, 18 APCs, 1 ARV, 1 MRLS "Uragan", 2 SPH "Gvozdika", 4 obuses D-30, 4 82mm mortars, 1 ZU-23-2, 33 automobiles.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10645171_268503793360559_8735583962276704970_n.jpg?oh=ac0bd01c94b425889bf65473fdb1f403&oe=5464B8D4&__gda__=1417030962_47e61c243bd5594a638b56b0fd814054
I really need to catch up and see how much military hardware the Ukranians lost overall so far.
i was wondering that too, where are those things they had before this started?
Deletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Ground_Forces#Vehicles
Storage and rusting away
DeleteMr T They are most likely dug in and buried if not turned into Panzerturm or Tobruks.
DeleteWhen insurgents declare they captured that many vehicles, its a sure sign they got a new shipment from xujlostan.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJm5bjM3Z5c
DeleteFilmed in russia. Tanks have 'for donbas' and 'mother russia' painted on the sides of them. Surely, those are units captured from Ukrainian forces. Alternatively, it's staged, fake, photoshopped. Take your pick.
I said that once I will say that again... the kid with iPhone is better intelligence source then the best satellite.
DeleteFirst, I was able to read no text in the vid. Is it the kids that spoke about that ?
DeleteSecond, in afghanistan you could see "Taliban hunting club" patch on some soldier : Do you think they hunt and grill taliban for lunch ???
Time to change monitor resolution...or glasses lad. ;) In 1:22 on the BMP-2 there is very clear "За Донбасс!!!"... that's mean For Donbass.
DeleteThis is surprising very clear to me as historian I recognize that with easy. As one of fighter from Soviet 3rd Air Force fly painted with big "Freed Donbass" and I want it or not... the Donbass in Cyrillic is know to me. Funny right?
Shas, I've said that before, and I'll repeat it again: there's no point arguing with trolls. You can not convince them, because they already *know* that you are right. They just spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) around.
DeleteI suggest USA lends a few predators to Ukraine, and fuck up a few of those non existing russian tanks, then watch putler explode in rage. And then, deny those were their drones.
Yeah you right Andrius. It would be even funny... separatist would be not surprised as they already saw Abrams, Apache and Raptors there, so couple Predators would not make any difference right? :D
DeleteAnd after that deny existing of any drones on the world... that was an really piss of stork's :D
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwRy2G5IcAA8_ef.jpg:large
DeleteUkrainians captured a russian T72-B3 at Ilovaisk.
Okey, some vehicles are marked. amazing, let's bombing kremlin !
DeleteEven if there is hardware delivery to sepo, makes no problem to me.
Even if there is russian troops, still no problem to me.
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Just when thing are said i like them to be fair and strong.
A facebook profile where it's said that russian troops are ukraine, isn't a proof because there is picture of russian soldier, nor if it's a true profile.
Proof are pictures / dead bodies / POW revealed by "almost" independant country.
Here there is proof that sepo have foreign tanks :
http://www.lepoint.fr/images/2010/08/27/150717-chabal-une-jpg_55192.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/separatistTankSeenAtSlaviansk
http://www.lepoint.fr/images/2010/08/27/150717-chabal-une-jpg_55192.jpg
Do you want i create a facebook profil with a soldier david cameron, from russia, full of picture of friends and war ? I could even make him cry about heavy loss on his camrades in lugansk ?
And predator is not a big deal for any conventionnal army over the world, it's just a problem for duchbag with AK47 in toyota... If you send them to russia, I wouldn't be surprised if they turn them over their operators !
> Even if there is hardware delivery to sepo, makes no problem to me.
Delete> Even if there is russian troops, still no problem to me.
Now, you see, this is where the rest of the more or less adequate world actually has a problem. Insurgency, led by the actual russians (Girkin, Boroday, Bolotov), with a very obvious goal of annexing industrial Lugansk/Donbass regions (using the scenario of annexation of Crimea few months ago), sponsoring insurgency groups, fighting without flags, actually looks like state sponsored terror campaign.
Now apparently the only wake up call that will open the eyes of russland, will be hunders and hundreds of coffins, but then again, that never stopped Stalin, or Hitler, for that matter.
you know you loss credibility by skeaping about stalin and hitler ?
DeleteAnd what do you care about any credibility fabsther? Let me quote you:
Delete> Even if there is hardware delivery to sepo, makes no problem to me.
> Even if there is russian troops, still no problem to me.
If you don't care that one country attack other, grab it's land and want to destroy it... why you take part in that discussion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_tank
ReplyDeleteThose white trucks?
Well they carried air compressor's and rubber decoy tanks.
Kosovo Air Campaign had Billy Bob Clinton bragging about all the Serb Armor his men had destroyed.
Millions of US dollars spent blowing up these.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_tank#mediaviewer/File:45th_Separate_Engineer-Camouflage_Regiment_-_T-72_mock-up_%286%29.jpg
World war two the Russian's made the greatest use of decoy tanks to disguise their numbers and true movements.
The concept we are seeing is the old Soviet tactic called, "Deep Battle" Look it up it's not tactical only but consist of long range strategic goals both political, military and economic.
ReplyDeleteMaskirovka is a part as is being sucked into a huge fire sack.
The German's during the battle of Kursk got sucked into a massive fire sack attacking decoy units of tanks, ammo dumps, artillery batteries supply points that existed only as constructs of wood and hay as well as inflatable decoys.
German tanks armies roared into Blitzkrieg and did not realize they were dead until the well concealed arty, rocket batteries, Sturmoviks and anti tank guns opened fire in ambush.
Putin is sucking Obama, NATO and the other enemies of Russia into reacting to decoys and when NATO/US bombers come roaring in to destroy those tanks, Buk happens! Massive loss of personnel and stealth as well as conventional fighters and bombers, because Obama will not put boots on the ground in Syria nor Iraq and he will not do it in Ukraine and that is the only way to detect Maskirovka.
Buk, killer of MH 117 Range 75,000 feet. H.A.W.K. (Home all the way killer) decimate and destroy in detail US/NATO air power the US and NATO would have to go balls deep at a disadvantage, or walk away with Putin's shit in their mouths and bitter defeat politically at home.
Deep Battle.
This may be Nova Russia but it is still Old Soviet style.
They only change the name for new fancy one Zebra' still old Soviet Union in the core.
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