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Rifles are already being adopted, there were some days for the issue, and they officially entered service of the Armed Forces of UkraineInteresting.
Ministry of Defense of Ukraine until the end of the year to buy 500 assault rifles and 221 Fort Fort 224 special units. On this, answering the question of LIGABusinessInform , the head of the central Missile and Artillery Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel Vitaly Otamanyuk.
"This weapon can be charged either the right or left side - it is important for right-handers and left-handers. Emission control rounds on the right side, you can safely in the field to replace the barrel, caliber rifles Fort 224 - 5.45 to 39 mm, this is the usual gauge that we got more out of the Soviet Union, but you can put the caliber 9 millimitrovy or 7.62 to 51, this NATO caliber. If I went to serve as somewhere outside of Ukraine, for example, NATO, through the UN, it is not necessary to carry an echelon of ammunition, I can get them there, because I have the trunk is NATO caliber.'s our perspective, "- said Otamanyuk.
According to him, these rifles have already been taken into service, have a few days for the issue, and they officially entered service APU. "Our first order before the end of the year - about 500 units. This weapon will be available primarily for units of special operations forces, and in the future - highly mobile assault troops and mechanized units for intelligence," - he said.
In addition, in the future, for the army will be taken two pistols - 17 Fort and Fort 14TPN.
Also, the Ministry of Defense beginning renovations AKS. "There is an ergonomic grip, folding stock, set the collimator - that is, we do not use the iron sight, because of which it is necessary to close one eye" - he said, adding that this year, the Defense Ministry plans to convert about 2 thousand machines Zone ATO. The first 120 improved machines have already been sent to the Donbas.
Probably won't happen.
ReplyDeleteUkraine is broke, they have all kinds of small arms in quantity anyway.
And recently Israel blocked a UAV deal with Ukraine ( guess who was applying the pressure ) .
Sidenote : has anyone shoot a Tavor, from what i heard it is a lot more balanced for a bulpup , then an AUG for example.
i've heard the same thing. i've heard talk about it being so balanced that its not at all tiring to shoulder all day. the only thing that is a minus (at least in my mind) is rapid mag changes. but i've seen vids of israeli weapons guys doing it as fast as an ar so i guess that's just a practice thing.
DeleteI think the sales job on the Tavor is kind of misleading. Yes the IDF used the rifle in a few of their Brigades but then opted to go with the X-95 as their standard issue instead of the Tavor. The X-95 has an AR style mag release (that's ambi) and a better charging handle that's out of the way of the upper rail. Only downside to the X-95 is the 13in barrel which seems a little short for 5.56.
DeleteI have heard of the 9mm varient of the Tavor, is there a 7.62x39 version of this rifle as well ? The number of countries that are using that ammo type and have established production/supply lines make it a nice option, if it can be converted. Otherwise its the bigger Galil for you.
DeleteYou're absolutely correct. The tavor will not be very useful in Ukraine military hands (especially the volunteer battalions) because 40 watt phasers wont even make a meaningful difference among the incompetent, poorly motivated, and poorly led using bad tactics. Hence, you have a situation like the Iraqi Army that leds to better motivated and trained advesaries getting upgrades in small arms.
DeleteIn proper hands, kalashnikovs are extremely effective small arms. Just ask any South African or Rhodesian veteran, or US Navy SEAL that served in Vietnam.
Its the man/software, not the hardware usually.
To address your other point, I purchased a FDE Tavor from atlantic firearms a couple months ago. For one, yes, it has far superior ergonomics to any other bullpup out there. In Afghanistan, I've conducted small arms training with Brits and the French with their L85s and FAMAS rifles respectively, and Ill say immediately the Tavor is far superior to both. From a post-military civvie background, the FS2000 and AUG copies are also inferior to the Tavor IMHO.
The Tavor is a handy rifle. Since multiple companies are introducing aftermarket keymod rails and whatnot for it, it will increase in popularity, which will increase the availability of spare parts (a disadvantage to getting one, as opposed to say, a AR15 or AK). I anticipate them surpassing other bullpups in terms of popularity in North America (many Canadians own Tavors too as they are legally sold there).
In terms of the bread and butter, they are actually very intuitive for speed reloads. For those used to ARs, they are different, although better than other bullpups. They are also very accurate and have a short overall length without asking for big guv's permission for a SBR (and making compromises with the inherent problem of shortening a conventional layout rifle's barrel length).
Since I haven't surpassed the 5,000 round mark, I cannot make a judgement yet on long term reliability, but in the next 6 months ill be able to make an honest assessment. A plus so far is that it doesn't mind wolf, brown bear, or silver bear 5.56 at all, which are very inexpensive. The negative is that my ARs handle those ammunition types fine too, so well have to see.
Its not a bad rifle to buy in conclusion. More expensive than ARs, but I honestly think its the best non-AR/AK alternative out there.
Russians and Israelis are co-operating a lot in the Electronics sector. Not just defence electronics but civilian too. We need a Russian/Israeli viewer of this blog to verifiy this but from what I have heard lots of Russian Universities are co-operating with Israeli faculty and students for courses.
ReplyDeleteDid Israel sell some drones to Georgia ?
Not only drones, they sold them even Spyder SAM missiles
Deleteso whats stopping them from doing business with Ukraine ?
Deletei was under impression that Ukraine armed forces needed more training than just small arms.. if a ragtag rebel militia force can easily destroy ukraine forces supported with armor and air, then something is wrong with the training and the leadership.. not the weapon system
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