Thanks to David for the links.
I can't get too excited about this because I don't view it as a military action but as a rescue operation...The type of operation that all nations should participate in, if allowed by the nation whose sub went down that is. We send subs to all parts of the globe to conduct missions against friends and allies alike. So do our friends, allies and enemies. When a sub is in distress its time to put away the diplomatic insanity and simply rescue the crew, scuttle the boat and be done with it.
Their sub today but eventually its going to be one of ours.
Read about the drama here and here.
I can't get too excited about this because I don't view it as a military action but as a rescue operation...The type of operation that all nations should participate in, if allowed by the nation whose sub went down that is. We send subs to all parts of the globe to conduct missions against friends and allies alike. So do our friends, allies and enemies. When a sub is in distress its time to put away the diplomatic insanity and simply rescue the crew, scuttle the boat and be done with it.
Their sub today but eventually its going to be one of ours.
Read about the drama here and here.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=75c_1413741610
ReplyDeleteIf "owner" of that sub will ask for rescue of "his" sub... on open channel that whole world would hear that, and then he will explain what hes ship is doing deep inside Sweden territorial waters... then yes, you can rescue them and take that ship as a prize.
ReplyDeleteIf not... find it, hunt it, put an Type 45 torpedo in it. This is what you should do to the unidentified submarine deep inside your territory.
i guess i'm looking at from the perspective of the USN...and knowing that we have subs in alot of places that we definitely don't want friends or foes to know about. additionally i remember talking to a Corpsman that did time on a nuclear attack sub and the idea of them going down and then being left to die because they were across a line that marked a boundary but were ordered to go to anyway...and then to leave them?
Deleteits one instance where i say forget the politics. forget the secrets and save the guys if you can.
of course i could be wrong....and of course i'm talking about something less than war.
Those subs are never officially there right? The US will not acknowledge that they send sub to the territorial waters of other nation, to the moment they will not be catch there. Sometimes you just end on the wrong side of torpedo tube.
DeleteUnless there is a declared war or exclusion zone shooting at submarines and ships inside territorial waters is illegal.
DeleteA submarine is still a ship.
A ship that sails across a sea border and gets in distress is a ship in distress.
A ship in distress under the laws of the sea must be rescued.
To not mount a rescue is criminal.
To shoot a torpedo at it is murder.
If it's a Russian, any other nation's or American submarine in distress all efforts to rescue the crew should be made regardless where it is on a map.
The Russian methods and thinking for rescue of Naval Personnel is draconian, always has been.
Sub send no SOS signal, potential owner negate it existence...
DeleteSwedes need to hunt it down, force to go surface and intern it. If it will be not possible... sink it.
There is currently no solid reason made public to assume that the object is in trouble. The alleged distress call is a rumor yet to be confirmed by any side.
ReplyDeleteFor all we now it could be a unmanned underwater drone.
Or an intentional distraction by the Russians. What's it cost to run a commercial tanker around in circles for a few days to set the bees buzzing before it slinks off?
DeleteI’ve read bla-bla-bla that it was Project 949A (Antey) Smolensk. It catch a problem with reactors but crept away at auxiliary diesel
ReplyDeleteHe he he... some bloger even said it was Dmitriy Donskoy. Not to mention last time I check he served in Norther Fleet and Baltic is for him too shallow.
DeleteSorry for double post.
DeleteWhat Russians have there imo, the Baltic Fleet have Sankt Petersburg and two Kilos in Königsberg and that's all.
Some woman take pictures of sub near Hassen island, but it don't look like the Russian made, especially the diving planes as Russians design bureaus rather don't use them on towers. I would say it was Gotland class searching for the unidentified sub.
Triple posting, I will burn in void's hell for this! :D
DeleteWhen I look at him... I'm almost sure it is Dutch Walrus.
@He he he... some bloger even said it was Dmitriy Donskoy. @
DeleteIt is total BS, pan Shas. Donskoy – is an experimental stand for Bulava rocket. It is not operational as a “line submarine”.
Yeah, when I read that he think Project 941 would swim in Baltic sea I start to laugh...
DeleteFrom what we can discern form media reports the sub in question might be a Triton submersible boat equivalent of US MRCC (http://www.armedforces-int.com/suppliers/stidd-systems-inc.html)
ReplyDeleteTriton is a submerible boat (it can move like powerboat on the surface but has a capabilty to submerge) in any case its a wet submarine meant to carry up to 8man or cargo and normaly opearates form a mother ship.
http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-765378-galleryV9-whvi.jpg
https://oplatsen.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120210-225617.jpg
https://ktwop.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/triton-nn-submersible-image-padelt-online-de-copy.jpg
With Concord as mothership?
Deleteto mr.T
ReplyDeleteMay be – but I can’t imagine decent task for the type of boat in the region. Only to tease “potential friends” – is too risky.
Litorals and shallow water operations are where these kind of craft excel , question is what was the mission ? Placing new sonar sensors to monitor shipping lanes ,placing bugs on data cables,infiltrating enemy seabases etc.
Delete@Litorals and shallow water operations are where these kind of craft excel , question is what was the mission ? Placing new sonar sensors to monitor shipping lanes ,placing bugs on data cables,infiltrating enemy seabases etc.@
DeleteTriton is a “coast-to-coast” stuff. For sonar sensors –drones are more suitable. For bugs placing Triton has no enough operational deep, communications in littorals and shallow water are easy controlled and well protected.