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| This works to make the IFV float but its the most unusual method I've ever seen. How this will work in an actual combat situation is anyone's guess but I wonder if this thing can take rifle rounds to its flotation devices....I do know that this type of setup was pitched as a way to make a more heavily armed and faster AAV float back in the 70's but I just don't know. |
I would expect that those floats would be filled with foam. It would save the weight of armoring them and make them far more resistant to "wear and tear" damage. Bullet strikes would be a marginal problem.
ReplyDeletei thought that initially but they inflate and deflate. that rules out foam...i think. they might be compartmentalized and filled with some type of inert gas but still...machinegun fire from a hidden and properly placed position should still be able to sink a few.
Deletebut you might be right. everyone talks about the K21 but no one talks about its flotation system. i'll dig a bit.
Solomon,
DeleteIt's a partitioned rubber bag. It can still float after losing a couple of partitions, but crew must bail if they have lost more than three.
Anyhow, this system was designed because the ROK Army needs to reach Pyongyang by the third day of war according to the war scenario. They are not going to wait for the US Army armor divisions that cannot cross North Korean rivers without bridges to come with them.
really? you can't wait for US Army forces that can't cross without bridges? sounds like you agree with me then and you don't need the US Army in your country at all then.
Deleteawesome. your arrogance once again proves my point.
Solomon
DeleteThe US Army is an insurance policy for the worst case scenario, when the war drags more than 2 weeks and the PLA crosses the Yalu River. Thousands of US servicemen's wives and children held as hostages in Osan-Pyongtaek, guarantees a US reinforcement should the war go out of control.
In case the war goes as planned, then the ROK doesn't need the US Army.
US families held hostage if the war doesn't go as planned? really? seriously? did you even think about that statement before you wrote it?
Deletejust plain wow.
Solomon
DeleteThe ROK won't be physically holding them, but it would be very difficult to evacuate them to Japan at once in the middle of a war, thus the US must send in reinforcements should the conditions warrant a military family evacuation.
This is what the ROK government calls "the insurance policy", because the US is forced to send in reinforcements from US mainlands for the sake of thousands of US military families should things go out of control. The same insurance policy is used by the US DoD to redeploy troops based in Korea to Afghanistan on rotation, because the US DoD can guarantee that those troops will be back and more because of those wives and children that those soldiers left behind in Korea.
you've said some asinine things. nothing wrong with that...so have i. but to state that official S. Korean policy is to use servicemembers families as an insurance policy if true is the most obscene thing i've heard in a while. the idea that the US govt...as corrupt as it is...uses the same insurance policy to justify rotations of troops from S. Korea to Afghanistan is just plain stupid. those troops of OURS that are in S. Korea are part of our total forces. we can use them where ever we want.
Deleteoh and just as a sidenote. we're already moving to a rotational basis for troops in S. Korea. what does that mean? it means unaccompanied deployments to your country. something that is LONG OVERDUE!
by hook or crook we're getting out of S. Korea. i for one couldn't be happier. so tell your country to get ready to assume command of your nations defense and to stop delaying it. past time for you boys to man up.
It's more likely that they simply don't intend to do fording under fire.
ReplyDeleteOnly being able to cross water obstacles when not engaged is better than not being able to cross them at all.
thats a possibility but any force that is as heavily mechanized as the S. Koreans surely have modern bridging equipment. additionally considering that they're totally oriented toward fighting the North, then we can bet or they should have most geographic obstacles already mapped out if not scouted by covert agents.
Deleteif they're looking at unopposed crossings then it just doesn't add up to me. but maybe you're right and its all about maintaining momentum after they've put the enemy to heel.
Solomon
DeleteThe seize of Pyongyang begins by the third day of war. The ROK armors must reach Pyongyang by the 3rd day, even if there are no bridges standing.
It will take roughly 2 weeks for the PLA to mobilize and cross the Yalu River. The ROK must clean up the house in 2 weeks in order for the PLA to give up intervention.
Off topic from the South Korean forces here but the telly just beamed me a nice bit of news-
ReplyDeleteWHO (world health org.) just declared Nigeria Ebola-Free with no new cases discovered for some time now. Now thats some positive news.
it is positive news, but what they aren't reporting widely is the fact that Nigeria placed some of the most draconian, common sense measures in place to ensure that it would not get infected.
Deletethe put in place a quarantine from the infected countries backed up with jail time if they were caught illegally entering the country. they also declared a national emergency and forcibly quarantined anyone suspected of having the disease.
if we did that here in the US i would have more faith...well a little more faith in the govt actually controlling the outbreak.
Solomon
DeleteNo additional infection, and the 19 day incubation period for people around Thomas Duncan is come to end soon. It could have turned out to be much worse than 2 nurse infections, but that's it.
i dont get the Person who think ROK can even enter another war with NOK without US help and blood.. Seoul will be totally destroyed by conventional artilery and there's nothing the ROK forces can do to stop it.. did people forget the debacle of the 8th Army in korea and the endless ambushes by the PVA back then ? it is because the unforgiving terrain channeling the roadbound force into endless ambushes..
ReplyDeletesuch hubris to think korean military can defeat NOKs alone ..
even if you're right then i contend that it is no longer up to the US to guarantee S. Korean security. think about it. we've had forces in S. Korea since the end of the Korean War. we've had force in Europe since the end of WW2.
Deletewhen is enough enough?
when do you stop looking at the past and decide that your own country's interests are best served by a different defense posture in a changing world?
i for one says that now is the time. it really doesn't matter because you're already seeing a realignment happening as we speak.
LCS bases being established in Singapore. new base in Australia. Guam taking on new importance. a reshuffling of the deck in Japan. new bases in the Philippines. things are changing and the US military is reorienting to take on China.
quite honestly if i wasn't such a defense hawk i'd be alarmed. this appears to be the opening moves to an eventual confrontation.
china will assert her power in the coming decade and beyond. The regional powers all rearming or trying to to stem the chinese tide. personally i dont think the scenario will be china vs US and asian allies, more like China and Russia vs USA.. Let see if the rearming and militarization of asian nations includes the nuclear armament of japan and south korea, that would certainly raised the bar..
Deletemaybe we will see a form of nuclear blackmail in the near future ? i mean without nukes, japan practically open to chinese nuke blackmail.. and i dont think US will guarantee retaliation strike against china if it attacked japan..
quite interesting times we live in today