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via Washington Free Beacon.
U.S. soldiers preparing for deployment to Africa to combat Ebola are only given four hours of Ebola-related training, the Daily Beast reports.That's a smart troop. He should be scared. One thing has become obvious to me. Despite what my friend William says, this whole thing is being done to protect the global economy.
Soldiers preparing for deployment to West Africa are given just four hours of Ebola-related training before leaving to combat the epidemic. And the first 500 soldiers to arrive have been holing up in Liberian hotels and government facilities while the military builds longer-term infrastructure on the ground. […]
The training process sounds daunting: One USA Today report described soldiers being told that Ebola “basically causes your body to eat itself from the inside out” and that Ebola is “worse” than what soldiers encountered in Afghanistan. Others reportedly heard that the disease is “catastrophic” and “frightening… with a high fatality rate,” though the chances of contracting it are low.
“I’ll be honest with you,” one soldier told the newspaper. “I’m kind of scared.”
If the US bans flights then so will others.
That will lead to a domino effect and the general public is already becoming alarmed...right before the Christmas shopping season.
Which is notably only 3 hours and 45 minutes more training than 98% of US nurses get.
ReplyDeletei really hope you're joking!
DeleteNope. Actual fact.
DeleteI got more MOPP training in Boot Camp than the total I've received in 20 years of nursing.
And I work in the ER; nurses inside upstairs get even less than I do, and clinic nurses and staff at doctors' offices get functionally none, since forever.
Permit me to express my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI'd am strongly FOR the US Armed Forces to take over this Ebola outbreak. White House is probably still trying to find the right spelling for the word "Ebola". The CDC is ... exactly what is the CDC knows about "disease control" when they couldn't even MANAGE one patient. Texas Presbyterian Hospital is probably getting an army of lawyer for the likelihood of a lawsuit.
Army/NG is your THE-GO-TO. Put a civilian to act as a "face" to the public and let an Army/NG two-star to do the work.
i would be all for it but i know the ugly truth. you can verify it with Tony.
Deletethere are people that are waited for the chance to attack soldiers acting inside US borders in a quasi-law enforcement capacity. nevermind the situation. nevermind that what they will be doing is ACTUALLY protecting the public. they will see fellow citizens in camps designed to keep them comfortable and quarantined and they will go ballistic.
on this i might be wearing a REAL BIG tin foil hat but in some of the darker areas of the internet you can see people already gearing up to fight the govt.
you're right that a military response might be where all this heads but i'm just letting you know that doing that will entail a certain amount of risk. additionally i haven't seen the Feds act against some of the people at the Bundy ranch that at the very least assaulted law enforcement. note: i'm using assault in the way that you point a weapon at a LEO and you've committed assault, fire it and cause injury then it becomes assault and battery...or something like that.
i just think that even if you used the NG in Texas, you would end up having to bring together more than a brigade sized group...and that would take about 45 days to get them assembled and ready to move. in other words you would have to issue the order now to have them ready by mid Dec.
Solomon:
ReplyDeleteImagine you have 500 guys ready to fight - a battalion of four companies.
You're a Colonel of West Point, his four captains are enganjados civilians, the rest of the troop consists of Haitians, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans (the corporals and sergeants), and a lot of people you do not know where it comes from.
The government sends three battalions like yours and another paramedic, 2,000 guys to kill something in a drop of saliva can contain more than 10,000 virus strains.
If you do not know, only five (5) virus a few microns are sufficient to contaminate you.
A very small amount of saliva, believe me, is in the air.
Alright, 1,500 soldiers will sing during the trip, 500 Battalion of Health Suicide everyone shitting their pants, they know what they will find.
You ride your camp, and establishes the perimeter, not reaching us, you have nothing to do with that bunch of needy, can not kill, they are all sick.
After 20 days the shit grabs, some of its soldiers are extremely prepared for war with fever and vomiting.
The guys are dropping blood from every orifice of the body.
You do what?
On the thirtieth day you have low, there is a riot.
Everyone wants to go home.
Everyone has family.
All are mercenaries looking for a Green Card.
All were trained to kill, not to die.
Of course all this is an assumption, America is an exceptional country.
I would keep the last bullet for me.
I'm sorry but the Google translation, I believe captures the idea that you, like me you were military.
Alexandre.
that very scenario is what many people are talking about in the dark internet.
Deletereally its kinda scary. there are so many trigger points that i'm not sure authorities are looking at. many see the WHO as one of the few parts of the UN that does good work. not some parties here in the US. if the WHO shows up talking about how we should respond to the outbreak and some people are going to go ape shit. god forbid a UN observer group or some such thing. we won't even talk about UN or even NATO medical troops to assist.
i watched a medical analyst that says that he doesn't believe this is the big one. he thinks we're going to see Bird Flu on steroids and that its going to hit so hard and fast that authorities wouldn't be able to contain it even if they tried. i tend to agree, but still think this is gonna get worse. i think this might be god's way of sending everyone a wake up call.
Solomon:
DeleteI'm honestly scared - not scared, in these cases we need a mindset of "Dr. Spock" and act very logical.
I and my in-laws have been talking a lot about attitudes to take, grouping the whole family at the ranch, are more or less 40 people.
Water, food, weapons, ammunition, everything straightened out.
Provisions for three months, and occasionally kill a cow to have a barbecue.
I do not know if you read about an African who coughed in a hospital in the state of Paraná, the guy was isolated, triggered security protocols, one Air Force plane took the guy to Rio de Janeiro.
Solomon swear I felt proud of the attitude of health professionals in Brazil.
The guy was not sent back home with antibiotics and antipyretics.
The guy was stuck on a plane!
Came from Africa, has a fever, the procedure is this.
Look the guy came from Africa and went down in Argentina, Brazil entered the car, a physically insane border to curb.
Three weeks ago I commented on ZeroHedge who suspected that shit transmitted through the air, when the suspicion was that the thing was in Goiânia, 48 km from where I live came.
I honestly do not understand how your government does not preclude flights Africa.
My youngest son will marry on December 5, 2014, already have flight tickets to DisneyWorld, told him forget this trip, I paid him and her another trip right here.
This fucking virus is very unstable, it is not known if the plane that will take you been to Africa or Japan.
It is not known whether it was right where it landed clean.
Best rent a car and pay insurance, for example go to Porto Seguro or Christmas, maybe even Ushuaia in Chile and see some green clouds.
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Everything but catch the plane!
I only have two children.
:-)
@Sol
DeleteI would tend to agree that this not the big one. Mostly because the the transmissive aspect is actually quite low. The biggest issue here is the disruption here is the "flare ups" and the negative consequences to the economy and general disruption. But it is a wake up call as to how unprepared we the health system is for infectious diseases. As I said before, the standard industrial "change the oil" process we have in health does not work for a serious epidemic. If we have a really bad transmissive virus, the health system will seriously struggle to cope with it.
well the biggest vulnerability i see is that this type incident shows that medical personnel will be the first affected. with that being a known vulnerability how do you combat it? i mean we can talk about the "change the oil" health care system but if you don't do proper maintenance and a few repairs on the clunker then its going to break down and die...same with people.
Deleteif the bird flu turns into a serious killer then it will be here before authorities can react and it will hit medical pros first. thats the danger.
where do you go to take advanced medical training as a civilian?
What do you want to learn how to do?
DeleteRemember the safe period for ebola is 21 days, so the closer we get to three weeks without more cases the more the hysteria is going to calm down. Remember all the people predicting the Liberian guy's family would all be infected since they were in the apartment with him? No signs of disease from them yet. Also Senegal is now ebola free http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/world/africa/in-conspicuous-success-senegal-is-declared-ebola-free.html?ref=world I find Obama to be completely incompetent in almost all respects, but America is so far beyond Senegal in terms of sophistication it is hard to believe they can eradicate the disease and we cannot. Also to those who are worried that the disease could be airborne, if that was true all the employees of Doctors Without Borders in Liberia and elsewhere would be dead. If the Dallas hospital had followed the Doctors Without Borders guidelines on how to deal with this situation we would not have 2 nurses with ebola.
ReplyDeletemy pushback is quite simple. the President appointed an Ebola czar. that keeps the issue on the headlines. if this was about to burn itself out (and if what you're saying is true then thats exactly what the President's advisors would be telling him) then the meme this weekend would be that its almost over. we're approaching the 21 day period.
Deletewe're not even close to being old whats going on with this thing. additionally Snegal has done what the US has refused. the setup a strict quarantine. this is hardly over my friend. we'll see what we'll see and i bet you a tall glass of your favorite beverage that we'll see more infections
Except for the now 9000+ cases of Ebola percolating over there, you'd be right.
DeleteInstead, that perspective is crazy talk.
Duncan wasn't the only problem, just the first case.
How many people are going to flee W. Africa when there are 10K, 20K cases?
A lot more. That fact is as predictable as sunrise.
So far, Duncan managed to infect 2 other people for sure, and exposed up to 5000.
One case.
When Patrick Sawyer travelled to Lagos, he infected 20 people, and killed 8 with Ebola, a bigger tally than the Manson Family fer cryin' out loud.
This doesn't "go away" until the outbreak is over. And so far, it's doubling every three weeks or so, and everything the entire world combined, including Doctors Without Borders, has done hasn't slowed it down one little bit.
Chew on that thought for a bit, and then get back to us.
BTW, 21 days is only for 95% safety. The other 5% have incubated Ebola longer, up to nearly 40 days without showing symptoms, and some remain asymptomatic right up until they fall over. So much for the "21 days" theory of Everything's Gonna Be OK.
Fair point on Senegal doing a quarantine. We should have done that weeks ago. I do not understand why we cannot charter private jets to get medical professionals in and out of the infected areas. That being said, the reason Obama appointed an ebola czar is because the confusion and incompetence showed by the CDC head and the Texas hospital are hurting him politically. It plays into the (entirely truthful in my opinion) theme that he is slow to respond to everything and has no management ability whatsoever. We are less than two weeks away from the elections and if the Democrats loose the Senate then Obama's hopes of pushing through his left wing agenda are over. There are quite a few stocks that have gone crazy over the ebola fears. Head over to google or yahoo finance and take a look at the charts of TKMR, LAKE, and CMRX. They are all now selling off after having huge moves up over the past few weeks. In regards to Christmas shopping season, initial jobless claims are the closest thing we have to a real time indicator on the labor market. The data is released every Thursday at 8:30 and it is simply the number of people who have been fired and are applying for benefits. The number this week was 264,000 which was the lowest number since 2000. http://www.businessinsider.com/initial-jobless-claims-oct-11-2014-10 More good news for the economy.
ReplyDeletei watched the stock market carefully. but about the jobless claims. they're a joke! if thats what we're looking at then the market is crazier than the American people. teh administration came out with unemployment numbers of 5.9%. no one cheered. the reason is obvious. the number no longer matches reality and everyone knows it.
Deletethe bet remains. Christmas shopping will be off despite a push by the administration to act as if all is well. consumer confidence takes a dive and then suddenly its back up and higher than ever? seriously?
you know all this and something in the back of your head is ringing alarm bells. i don't know you but i know a bit of your background. your spidey sense is tingling but you're ignoring it.
why?
I don't believe the jobless claims are a joke. In fact I think they are quite accurate. All of the conspiracy websites claim the government screws with the numbers and artificially keeps the market up through the mythical plunge protection team. Well I was trading in the 2007-2008 time period when the market totally collapsed and the government certainly didn't keep the market from going down and they never lied about the data. I remember the months at the end of 2008 and beginning of 2009 when the government told us we were losing more than 800k jobs a month. It was scary as hell. You keep going back to how the average person "knows" things aren't getting better. That is because wages are totally stagnant while healthcare and education costs continue to climb. I missed the entire first 18 months of the stock market rally because I was reading zero hedge and was convinced it was all made up and that things were about to take the next leg down. Fortunes were made in that time period, and not by me. I refuse to make that mistake again. One thing the market has taught me is to be flexible in my thinking. I have no salary at all. I get a percentage of what I make for my fund, so if I'm wrong then financially I am screwed which is a powerful incentive. I am bearish on Europe, the emerging markets, and especially China, but until the data here changes there is no reason to change my view. Here's some more good news. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/15/356428818/u-s-budget-deficit-falls-to-pre-recession-levels
ReplyDeletenpr? seriously? about those jobless claims. if true then we should be seeing wage pressure. we're not. additionally we'd be approaching full employment if those numbers are true. but we both know better. why is it always a turn toward conspiracy sites instead of just average people looking at data and disagreeing with what they're being fed?
DeleteI could send you bloomberg or the Wall Street Journal if you like. The reason why we aren't seeing wage growth pressure is that we only got back all of the jobs we lost from the great recession in May of this year and since the recession started at the end of 2007 the population has grown by 15 million http://www.multpl.com/united-states-population/table. We are about 7 million jobs short of where we need to be to be if you were to get back to the same unemployment rate and same participation rate. http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-adds-217-000-jobs-unemployment-rate-steady-at-6-3-1402058042
DeleteThe debate now is are we ever going to get back to the same participation rate, which along with the total lack of wage growth is in my opinion driving public sentiment. The Fed hawks on the right are saying no, those workers are permanently gone and we need to start raising rates now in order to avoid inflation. The Chairwoman Janet Yellen (who I agree with) basically argues that we should hold interest rates as low as possible for as long as possible in order to juice the economic growth rate and hopefully bring some of those people back into the labor force and reduce slack in the labor markets. As long as there is no wage growth I think you can expect she will feel no pressure to raise rates. Watch the job numbers over the next few months. You need 120k a month just to cover the new entrants into the labor pool, so anything beyond that reduces the "real" employment rate you are feeling. Last month was up 248K, so I would argue if we can get a year of numbers over 250k the sentiment will improve considerably.
DeleteDo just a little research on how unemployment is measured now, versus pre-Reagan, and you'll see that the numbers are a joke William. They only count those *currently* receiving benefits. The real numbers are at least double those reported.
DeleteThe 'solution', so far as the current cartel system (Federal Reserve) is capable of generating one, is to do what Volker did in the 80's. RAISE rates to stop inflation and further financial investment bubbles from forming. That would deflate the currency, and stop the devaluation of regular people's savings.
What you just wrote makes about as much sense as 1+1=3. First of all if you raised interest rates the dollar would go UP as the relative yield differentials (and expectations of a future strengthening cycle) between the dollar and its most common counterparts increased. The dollar is already at it's strongest level in years. Look up the DXJ dollar index on a 5 year time horizon if you do not believe me. The bureau of labor statistics tells you in the monthly numbers the amount of people who dropped out of the labor force. Just because it is on the 2nd page of the release and not the first does not mean the government is hiding bad data. Finally to compare the situation Volcker faced then and the situation we face now are completely different. In the late 70s and early 80s we had low growth and high inflation. Now we have low growth and low inflation.
DeleteI mentioned ebola to my doctor (a Georgetown graduate I believe) last week at my annual check-up. He said, "The only think I know about ebola is what I read in the papers."
ReplyDeleteOh it just got worse, US Forces will NOT BE GIVEN HAZ MAT SUITS WHILE IN AFRICA, The reason?
ReplyDeleteThey are NOT EXPECTED TO MEET THE PEOPLE, who might be infected.
Not even MOPP, just gloves and a mask.
No One is thinking maybe the people may want to meet the troops while breaching the wire to gather supplies, get a cure or rescue relatives under quarantine.
So Four Hours and no dedicated PPE, no Haz Mat suit just gloves and a standard (if they are lucky it's not just a dust mask) Gas Mask.