Over the recent days the Russian-terrorist troops continued to accumulate forces and resources in the area of the Debaltseve bridgehead.True? False? Propaganda? Real deal info?
This is stated by Dmytro Tymchuk on his Facebook page citing the operational data of the Information Resistance, Censor.NET reports.
According to the group's data, at the moment five battalion tactical groups (BTG) of the enemy (at least one of them includes Russian airborne troops) and three composite artillery groups are fighting in different parts of the bridgehead. In addition, there are numerous small formations of the terrorists in the area, which are armed with individual samples of heavy infantry weapons.
"The total number of the Russian-terrorist troops engaged in fighting for Debaltseve foothold is about 2,500 people, up to 35 tanks, about 50 armored combat vehicles, 50 cannon artillery units (including SP guns), as well as at least 22 MLRS units," Tymchuk said.
In addition, he noted that in the area of Debaltseve after an unsuccessful attempt to storm through Troitske to Svetlodarsk, the enemy retreated to their original positions and is restoring the level of combat readiness.
"There is movement of militants' reinforcements through Stakhanov (up to 12 vehicles, mostly covered military trucks, and about 18 armored vehicles). In the area of Vuhlehirsk and in the direction of Svetlodarsk reservoir the enemy continues to accumulate additional tactical reserves, thus preserving significant strike potential of its units," Tymchuk said.
I just don't know.
May be propaganda, may be not. In Ru-internet a lot of controversial info about it.
ReplyDeleteAt my take, greatly more important (in terms of military) strategically achievements – large enemy’s units destroyed or strategically points captured. I see no noticeable success of any party of the conflict.
According to Debal’cevo – if Ukrainians well be keeping the town at the end of the year – so we can surely talk about Ukrainian victory in Donbass – 2015 campaign.
Yeah, I think that city and area will be the main show in next month, both sides gather equipment there. Seppos don't have own forces to really push there... so maybe they call for reinforcements, like the last time they were on the run. We for sure see the influx of very modern equipment from Russia, probably with trained crews. If Ukrainians can hold this place, they can bleed seppos there really good.
DeleteThere are reports that the city is about to get surrounded by the rebels, its this true?
DeleteYes and No. The city is under artillery fire almost everyday, pretty heavy sometimes but for now it's not attacked. Yesterday Ukrainians start to evacuate woman and children, possible also elder ones. Main bulk of fights are around the city in different villages and smaller cities, in some cases seppos were able to push forward, in other they were forced to retreat, some positions were recaptured by Ukrainians in counterattack some not. For now Ukrainians are holding main positions and seppos try without success break thru them. But situation is not too good for Ukrainians, they are holding and sending reinforcements to the region but danger of encirclement is steal real.
DeleteI would say its pretty likely. We know that there are a lot of Russian tanks, APC's/IFV's, and artillery units operating in the Ukraine. Additionally, several sources cite that thousands of Russians are in the Ukraine.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/11/thousands-of-putin-s-troops-now-in-ukraine-analysts-say.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/russian-soldiers-ukraine-rights-groups
There was a NATO affiliate that cited 6000 Russian ground troops in the area, can't find the link though.
Also note that it says, "The total number of the Russian-terrorist troops". Instead of the small unit, special operations and paramilitary contractors that were used to essentially start this war, they are probably re-enforcing rebel units with company sized Russian elements (likely for a while now). The bulk of these forces are likely Ukrainian Separatists that are now getting stood up and structured into battalions by the Russians.
Well most of "locals" from start are probably already dead or WIA. They need to get reinforcements from somewhere...
DeleteI’m sure that vast majority of rebels are Ukrainians (not only from Donbass) – there are a lot of objective reasons for it.
DeleteFunny there is very little proof for russian troops or even gear.Just propagada from Kiev everytime they sffer setbacks.
DeleteWestern media has no reporters on the front line so all reports are more or less spoon feed to them.
http://www.bne.eu/content/story/stolypin-ukraine-cannot-just-blame-russia-its-military-setbacks
They too much bragging about Chechen's, Cossacks (not "original" Zaporozhye but the more "new" Russian ones) much less about "local" ones. Most of "prominent" leaders are not from that region, not even from near of it. I think most of "locals" died in that conflict already... it's is online for some time now and losses are high on both sides.
DeleteAn accurate salvo of Ukrainian artillerists
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The first mine – and directly “in the eye”.
They are not 'terrorists' if they are ethnic Rus fighting within their own homeland for national goals, including the right to ethnic self determination.
ReplyDeleteWe have been through this with illegal combattants who cannot afford uniforms yet nonetheless fight for a recognized force with unified chains of command and a common goal. Stop labeling everything you don't like with hate-word labels as though 'suddenly that makes us more-right!'.
The Ethnic Russian and Ukrainian peoples lived in peace, each in their own regions without discord or affront until the moment outside interests began trying to pry the Ukraine into the Western SOI. Now, in order to maintain linkage with their own peoples further north, the Ethnic Rus are putting up a helluva fight and the soft Ukrainians who were never really vested so much as thrown into this confrontation, ill prepared, are left to both divide and destroy their enemy and maintain control over their own terrain. It won't work because the _objective_ (German maneuver theory) of defeating your enemy is the destruction of his forces in the field and Kiev has far to much to guard to ever mass sufficient forces to achieve this exclusive aim. Assuming the Cold War era crap they have left over still works at all.
Nor do they have the high tech targeting and remote fires to make a viable denial of movement effort to fragment and break up the Russians when the latter have the coordination of combined arms mobile groups to smash them on-approach.
High Tech = Firefinder Radar or Acoustics + Spike-NLOS ER to break up Soviet artillery concentrations of force, one tube at a time, from upwards of 25km out.
High Tech = Shadow or Predator UAVs, REMBASS or similar UGS and even Orchidee, TESAR, or JSTARS (or similar Sentinel/AGS) systems to find Russian mobile columns as they move between objective and resupply areas before calling down TACMS strikes with DPICM or SADARM to kill them while they are all clustered up at their FAARPs.
High Tech = light helicopter assault units with MH-6 or EC-130 Eurocopters able to maneuver with great agility at drag-the-skids NOE heights through masking terrain to push individual 4 man recon-strike teams into positions to both cut into the threat comms and strike radio-triangulated headquarters units to gain prisoner and dispositional intel.
High Tech = sophisticated, high bandwidth, secure-encrypted, sat-comms to coordinate it all.
Massed Force = Massed Target and that's the only way the Ukrainians know how to bleed..
So they are 'fighting heroically' in a slugging match for which they simply don't have the numbered firepower to push through the forces to a decisive engagement condition, let alone victory. While the Russians just have to hold contact long enough to bring them to bay before turning artillery loose on their heads.
You understand that Ukrainians are descendants of Rus. Russians are descendants of Muscovite's that were part of Kievan Rus empire but NOT the Rus's. This is more Ukrainians homeland then Russians that core of it's land are far north-eastern region around today Moscow... to walk even further they are from Finno-Ugric tribes lands. The influx of Russians on those land start in times of Catherine the Great but the full colonization began in Soviet times.
DeleteRussians are "natives" to that land just like Americans to the Norther America.
@who cannot afford uniforms
You are joking right? of course you are... and it's is a weak joke, very weak.
@Russians are "natives" to that land just like Americans to the Norther America.@
DeleteYou are completely wrong (from an ordinary Russian orc’s point of view), pan.
My own roots are from Nikopol’ – ancestors of my maternal grandfa live on this soil dozens and dozens years – before of the I WW the had been lived there a lot of time. And I never heard he named himself “an Ukrainian” - @a Russian from Ukraine” only.
I can post a lot of life story and historical theories – but see no sense. This all have collateral character. We kept this territory for hundreds years, we defended the soil with steel not once, we lost it only twenty years ago because of our unbelievable idiocy (it was taken with Word not with Steel) – and I have no doubt we return this soil under rule of “white tzar” again – with Steel&Word of modern proxy-hybrid wars. But we shouldn’t be hurry up there (IMHO).
"Natives" info' men native to that land... your ancestor were the colonists as you mention from Russia, maybe even the first migration sort under Catherine. They may cal this land an home after generation or two, but they are not "natives"... just like the Americans and Native Americans.
DeleteNew Tzar you say... do we need to go to Moscow and put him on the throne like once we did info'? ;) (joking lad, just joking)
@do we need to go to Moscow @
DeleteBggg. You definitely need magic winged cuirasses for this!
They never used wings in combat, only for parades and even that mostly single "wing" mounted on the saddle. But they were very effective formation... in the battle of Połonka some 13.000 men under Grand Hetmans of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania Paweł Jan Sapieha stand against 24.000 Muscovite forces under Prince Ivan Andreyevich Khovansky and it was a bloodbath. Poles lost up to 2.000 men but Muscovite lost up to 16.000 men. What is the most interesting that now unknown by name Hussar break a record... charging the enemy formation he pierce 6(!) men with single strike of lance, like a shishkebab. It was a proven thing, record that nobody break after that. Also a little terrifying.
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More proofs of USA’s weapon in hands of allegedly Hesbollah militia in Iran – the entire column of Abrams, Bradley etc
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/imp_navigator/17993765/209232/209232_900.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/imp_navigator/17993765/209663/209663_900.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/imp_navigator/17993765/209915/209915_900.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/imp_navigator/17993765/210554/210554_900.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItK0Jb88quw
One HET with look's like an Abrams (he look's weird... like damage) other truck with two M113, shit tons of technicals, some humvee... some, weird jeep things, huge number of civis trucks, buses, cargos. No Bradleys.
DeleteHey even one Buffalo!
Nice loot...
@No Bradleys.@
DeleteThanks for correction!
I’ve confused terms. Damn beer! Bggg
You recognize those jeep things? I have the weird feel... that they are Made in China.
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ReplyDeleteBTR-3E1 with 90mm CMI CSE90LP has been tested in Thailand .
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/icy2527/52498043/3508/3508_original.jpg
taken here
http://icy2527.livejournal.com/6293.html
Just to reinforce a point already made by another poster, groups of irregulars fighting in an organised way against any consituted army are not terrorists ! This is already one reason i Would be very suspicious of any info I find on blogs such as this.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, and "terminology" set aside, it doesn't mean the info is necessarily false, just that reliability is questionable
So ISIS are not terrorist right? In that case any organised terrorist group is... not a terrorists group. Genius!
DeleteThere is a wide difference between the prorussian rebels and ISIS. The first, at least to my knowledge are not conducting and organized campaign of terror acts against the ukranian government to indimidate them into accepting their terms or to propagate their prorussian ideology through violence and terror, they are just waging war, killing soldiers and taking territory (war might be vile and cruel, but fighting in one doesnt turn you into a terrorist). Hecate is right on the spot.
DeleteHes definition perfectly fit the ISIS... and the seppos did couple of solid "terrorist" acts to be called as ones.
DeleteA relatively objective assessment of the fighting around the Debaltseve salient can be found in both Russian and English on the censor.net.ua/ site by Yurii Butusov. According to him, the Russian separatists/Russian regulars assaulted the salient beginning on 1/28, first on both sides of the neck and later on both flanks further south from. After 8 days of very intense fighting, the Russians made some incursions on the periphery of the salient, but the city of Debaltseve and the main supply road remained in Ukrainian hands. Apparently, the Ukies took a page out of General Navarre's playbook at Dien Bien Phu and used the propaganda benefit of a Russian capture of Debaltseve as a trap, in order to lure at least 4 separate separatist BTG's into artillery kill zones. It is easy to give opinions but harder to point to facts. Nonetheless, (1) the Ukrainians fought off all attacks onto the main objectives, (2) maintain possession of Debaltseve and its supply road and (3) all major fighting stopped on 2/1. As of today, 2/5, both sides are regrouping, rotating troops and resupplying their stocks of artillery and rocket ammunition. Without any doubt, the Russians will try again, using some of their gains as jumping off points for new attacks; this time with the support of attack helicopters and 1980s vintage attack jets, thinly veiled as a "rebel airforce." Reportedly, the separatist and Russian regulars lost 45 tanks in the fighting around Debaltseve (the Ukes admit to 17 of their own) and the Russian KIA exceed 500 and are probably closer to 1000. Butusov characterized the 8 day defense of Debaltseve, as well as the defense of the 150 kilometers of front in Eastern Ukraine, as the first great successful defense operation on the theater level in the Ukrainian army's history. With the exception of both terminals of the Donetsk airport, which were captured prior to 1/28, the Russians have not much else to show for their sacrifice.
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