Its outside my wheelhouse and its such a touchy subject that I didn't want to go there. But this is different. Check this out from SHTFPlan.
Gun confiscation at the hands of medical records sharing is now officially a reality, with serious consequences for the individuals involved.This ain't gonna work.
Now, under ObamaCare, the United States is on pace to swiftly become a snitch society that would make East Germany and Soviet Russia blush.
One former Navy man and 30-year police force veteran is suing the relevant authorities in New York after four of his legally registered firearms were confiscated as a result of his seeking voluntary treatment for insomnia.
Despite the fact that he has no criminal record, was diagnosed with only “mild depression” and his record explicitly noted that there was no concern for violence, the man was listed as a “mental defective.” And thanks to New York’s “SAFE Act” for Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act of 2013, his weapons were seizedby the local sheriff’s office after his records were shared and New York State Police made repeated requests for confiscation...
Talk to a retired, former or active duty Marine. Tell someone that if they're having mental problems that they should seek help...then tell them that if they do they're going to lose their gun rights.
The result is going to be that many people that should seek help won't.
Maybe they can fix the law but if the real effort was to cut down on the number of people seeking treatment then I think they're on to something. Once word of this gets out no one will ever trust doctors again.
The law is clear -- likelihood of serious harm to self or others,’ meaning ‘a substantial risk of physical har[m] to self as manifested by threats of or attempts at suicide or serious bodily harm or other conduct demonstrating that he is dangerous to himself or a substantial risk of physical harm to other persons…
ReplyDeleteBut many authorities act beyond the law and enjoy putting a choke hold on citizens, just because they can.
it sounds like the sheriff's dept tried to resist the state police but buckled under the pressure. this is what i'm talking about. i've probably lost a bunch of LEOs as readers but this is what i mean by them acting as the enforcers of unjust laws. legislatures pass laws that seem reasonable but the implementation is so jacked up that good people start getting tagged. add on top of this how law enforcement is being used as a revenue collection tool and its understandable how support can start taking a slide.
DeleteBut I don't get how the law is unjust, as opposed to the police.
Delete"... as manifested by threats of or attempts at suicide or serious bodily harm or other conduct demonstrating that he is dangerous to himself or a substantial risk of physical harm to other persons"
hell this could be used if you have the flu, feeling sick and depressed? He's suicidal! disarm him.
DeleteA government obsessed with the establishment of security throughout the world can not neglect security domestically, citizens' rights be damned.
ReplyDeleteScrew you, I got my citizens rights and I damn well will fight to keep them.
DeleteGo stand guard with the Royal Guards, behind a fence in a secure area guarded by disarmed police if you wish, I am master of my own fate.
Solomon,
ReplyDeleteDo you really think that this is not an intended outcome? We are replacing our society with one whose violence is ten times our own.
If whites wake up to this and decide to spill some tea, it will be a lot harder to generate dependent population status (must obey the government to be safe from the people government has made the majority population) if they are all armed. Indeed, the criminal statistics will ALL support the notion that responsible gun ownership determines crime rates:
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"Stiff `gun control' laws work as shown by the low crime rates in England and Japan, while U. S crime rates continue to soar."
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America's high crime rates can be attributed to re volving-door justice. In a typical year in the U.S., there are 8.1 million serious crimes like homicide, assault, and burglary. Only 724,000 adults are arrested and fewer still (193,000) are convicted. Less than 150,000 are sentenced to prison, with 36,00 0 serving less than a year (U.S. News and World Report, July 31, 1989). A 1987 National Institute of Justice study found that the average felon released due to prison overcrowding commits upwards of 187 crimes per year, costing society approximately $430, 000.
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Foreign countries are two to six times more effective in solving crimes and punishing criminals than the U.S. In London, about 20% of reported robberies end in conviction; in New York City, less than 5% result in conviction, and in those cases imprisonment is frequently not imposed. Nonetheless, England annually has twice as many homicides with firearms as it did before adopting its tough laws.
Despite tight licensing procedures, the handgun-related robbery rate in Britain rose about 200% during the past dozen years, five times as fast as in the U.S.
Part of Japan's low crime rate is explained by the efficiency of its criminal justice system, fewer protections of the right to privacy, and fewer rights for criminal suspects than exist in the United States. Japanese police routinely search citizens at will and twice a year pay "home visits" to citizens' residences. Suspect confession rate is 95% and trial conviction rate is over 99.9%. The Tokyo Bar Association has said that the Japanese police routinely "...engage in torture or illegal treatment. Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore the physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions." Neither the powers and secrecy of the police nor the docility of defense counsel would be acceptable to most Americans. In addition, the Japanese police understate the amount of crime, particularly covering up the problem of organized crime, in order to appear more efficient an d worthy of the respect the citizens have for the police.
Widespread respect for law and order is deeply ingrained in the Japanese citizenry. This cultural trait has been passed along to their descendants in the United States where the murder ratef or Japanese-Americans (who have access to firearms) is similar to that in Japan itself. If gun availability were a factor in crime rates, one would expect European crime rates to be related to firearms availability in those countries, but crime rat es are similar in European countries with high or relatively high gun ownership, such as Switzerland, Israel, and Norway, and in low availability countries like England and Germany. Furthermore, one would expect American violent crime rates to be more sim ilar to European rates in crime where guns are rarely used, such as rape, than in crimes where guns are often used, such as homicide. But the reverse is true: American non-gun violent crime rates exceed those of European countries.
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DeleteMYTH 6: "Most murders are argument-related `crimes of passion' against a relative, neighbor, friend or acquaintance. "
The vast majority of murders are committed by persons with long established patterns of violent criminal behavior. Acc ording to analyses by the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, the FBI, and the Chicago, New York City, and other police departments, about 70% of suspected murderers have criminal careers of long standing--as do nearly half their victims. FBI data show that roughly 47% of murderers are known to their victims.
The waiting period, or "cooling-off" period, as some in the "gun control" community call it, is the most often cited solution to "crimes of passion." However, state crime records show that in 1992, states with waiting periods and other laws delaying or denying gun purchases had an overall violent crime rate more than 47% higher and a homicide rate 19% higher than other states.
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Wright also speaks to the protective use of handguns. "Firearms equalize the means of physical terror between men and women. In denying the wife of an abusive man the right to have a firearm, we may only be guaranteeing he r husband the right to beat her at his pleasure," says Wright. 11
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http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm
Until we acknowledge racial differences in behavior (4% of this nation's population, black FAMs, is responsible for 50% of it's murders) and particularly take a LONG HARD LOOK at the ongoing Failed State condition of the Narco Kleptocracy that is Mexico to our south, whites will never 'get' that they are being targeted, not just for replacement as a majority population, but as group whose overall responsible ownership of guns is in direct contravention of the Globalists agenda to OWG us in with The Horde, whether we like it or not.
All that your children are being taught about global warming, the need for racial and regional equity and 'sustainability' will end with a presumption of a SERIOUS hit on white SES as quality of living. And these evangelical lunatics will not look at the relative potential of work ethic, intelligence, social conformity or _profit motive_ inherent to what whites can do, relative to social achievements of other nations until suddenly, it's not 1 billion vs. 6.25 billion lives needing rebalancing. But rather 560 million vs. 13.5 billion lives.
We are making a HUGE mistake, selling concepts like social equivalence (live like The West does) as a 'human right' rather than simple things like life, liberty and the -pursuit- of happiness, where other populations are at.
And by the time we realize that mistake and acknowledge the reality of racism as an evolutionary psychology that would not have survived this long if it were not useful, the only thing that will save us from extinction will be the power of firearms.
Taking that option away from us is largely what this is about. Because it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. It only matters that if the other side is not equally punished for /trying/ to do it, they will keep coming back until they wear down our will to resist sufficiently that no one fights back, objects or complains.
It's not about PTSD. Mental Health. Or Public Safety. It's about Power.
These are the type of cases that detect Cracks in the system. Now we have to see how this case plays out in court and then what are the consequences of whatever judgement the court gives.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, I have always wanted to ask this question to Solomon and other readers here but always forgot -
Suppose Electro Magnetic Pulse Rifles do become a reality (Which they obviously will, just a matter of time), will they also be made avaialable to the American public or is this the last line of "guns and firearms" that the American people will have access to?
I know this is a question more out of fancy and science fiction but sill...think about it. This current technology could be the very last line of guns one could have access to. Every piece of newer gun control regulation is being steadily built up for that monent in time.
To be or not to be, that is the question.
And just to be clear, let me clarify my position on the "Gun Debate" (though as an Indian, I have thoroughly lost that debate waaay back in time) -
DeleteI like the US as a country simply because of it being the only country in the world that allows one to legally continue with the good old practice....... some say even tradition of a man walking into a blacksmith and walking out with a smile. No one asked you back in the day if you could "justify' having a sword, crossbow, longbow, musket, pistol, chain mail, greaves etc. Heck...you could even put scythes on your chariots. The US is that one country which maintains that part of human behaviour and tradition.
actually you're wrong. If we forget for a second that a sword was just waaay too expensive item for a commoner in those days, every medieval society, possession of a weapon was strictly controlled. Catching a class of society with possession which was not allowed to have it peasant with a weapon (like bow abd arrows) was hanging offence - if you were not cut down where they found you. Every antique or medieval society, from Europe to Japan, had a very tight lid on this, which is understandable given the vast numbers of deprivileged people.
DeleteSo, in a nutshell, what we are seeing here is nothing new. The more social differences there are in the society the tighter gun laws are becoming, as the ruling elite wants to establish a monopoly over the use of force.
That may have been true for Europe and Japan, but that was not true here in India until the Colonial periods. The 2 pieces of medieval regualations regarding "gun/weapon control" that I have heard of and agree with you were the Papal order limiting crossbows in conflict and then during the Shogun era when peasants were not allowed to have classic/regulation weapons (hence ninjas refining farming/garden tools into weapons).
DeleteBut that distracts us from the main discussion above.
EMP is not the same as EML. The effects are different. An EML fires a bullet faster than any realistic body armor could stop it but employs rare earth switching mediums like neodymium which are expensive and easily damaged by use. It will be a long time before EML a sized to personal weapons.
DeleteAnd EMP weapon would be designed to scramble nerves (Nociceptor response) or computers (ooops, there went the street lights, bank security system, car electronic ignition system etc.)
While the ability to damage electronic systems could likely be achieved today with a modified taser, the reality remains that their use in such a role would directly expose the identity of the shooter, just as it would if misapplied (mugger, robber, rapist) to a human.
Where the line will be drawn is that moment when you can hurt more than one person, whether intentionally or not, from a position of anonymous standoff.
As is, the truth of the matter is that we are back in a cycle where increasingly it is strangers on the street or in our homes who hurt us.
If you've ever seen 'gun vs. knife' you know that the FBI rule of about 21 feet has been expanded to 30ft based on how long it takes to bring a CCW into play. Inside that distance or armed only with hands, mace, pepper spray, taster etc. you will be better off bringing a friend and with whom you can share the 'lock him up and I'll take him down' duties of 2v1 conditioned intimidated and if need be, hand to hand.
The same is even more true of home invasions where, at night, if someone knocks down the bedroom door while you are sleeping the distance from door to pillow is shorter than the distance of snore to full wakefulness. Because of this, you are better off setting up safe rooms with reinforced doorframe, real locks, chickenmesh in the surrounding wall, rope to get out the window, first aid, fire extinguisher and makeshift weapons/restraint devices (no one has ever been shot by a bat and speed tape) than you are trying to be a hero with a gun.
Again, gun control is not about safety because if it were, we would make taking them out of the house beyond a registered trip to the range or national park a 25 year jail sentence and while criminals could still get guns, they would be much less likely to use them on the streets for petty theft and the like.
What you have to remember is that this is NOT about responsible use or public safety. It is an exercise in power dominance as some very ugly polices related to globalization are about to happen (the U.S. debt is being engineered specifically to cripple America if we don't go along with 'mutual ownership' of prize regions, industry and infrastructure) and our 'Masters' do not want anyone being able to say "Oh no." With his fellow 106.76 million pals who, between them own 270 million firearms (89 guns per 100 people), backing his play.
Oh, and just in case you think that 'the worm is turning' on gun ownership. The first time the Gallup polls asked about gun control, in 1960, 60% of the population thought it would be a damn good idea.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/politics/btn-guns-in-america/
Today, 25% do. Part of that is crime and the people who bring it into safe communities. The majority is a lunatic asylum run by the inmates, standing in for legitmate rule of law as our government gets more and more extreme and people lose all faith and trust in it.
Again. Power. Those who can handle it respect the checks and balances of those who keep some back in case they screw up. Those who worry about pushing through ideas that are really, really, bad/dumb/evil want brook no enlightened argument with their arbitrary decisions.
Open Borders/Amnesty (Welfare State + Global Invitation), Obamacare, Stimulus. Our government is 0 and 3 on the sanity scale and slipping fast.
Of course the "elites" dont want john and jane Q public to be armed and "well-regulated" in a 18th century proper sense of being "in proper working order".
DeleteThat would mean if they overstep their bounds, they risk being given the French revolution treatment which IS in the works already with widening income gaps, the increased loss of civil liberties, and the utter batshit insanity of those in positions of power. As they become more desperate, these "elite" creatures will resort to increasingly desperate and draconian means to keep the status quo afload.
Funny thing. They inflate themselves as being more important, justifying their armed guards and gated communities isolated by the poverty and abysmal conditions they help perpetuate, but view their subjects as being unimportant enough to have the right to protect themselves. Of course they dont view self defense as a natural, human right. That would mean undermining their own power base and monopoly on force.
We are living in a "blade runner/jennifer government" dystopia. It will soon turn into a "children of men/running man" dystopia thanks to their actions.
Military grade weapons above .50 caliber are considered destructive devices.
DeleteA Phased plasma pulse rifle will fit this description.
Sol,
ReplyDeleteSomething like this already happened and ended up in court. Looks like it didn't stop them.
Buffalo man has his guns wrongly seized: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/buffalo_mans_pistol_permit_wro.html
Check out the electoral map from 2014 by county for New York. Look how much of the state didn't vote for Cuomo.
http://www.politico.com/2014-election/results/map/governor/new-york/#.VKfa13tyd5Y
New York State police no longer enforcing SAFE Act seven round limit:
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/State-Police-guide-amended-to-ignore-seven-round-5355959.php
SAFE Act charge against man thrown out after magazine search ruled illegal:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/lockport/judge-tosses-out-safe-act-charge-against-lockport-man-20140226
People are in the streets not because they don't like the laws but because they don't like lawless police. The crime and murder rates are dropping in the US. Why? We know that huge financial crimes are being committed, and we suspect that other criminals aren't being pursued.
ReplyDeleteWhat is happening in New York City, and I suspect in other places, is that the police focus on harassing citizens, and especially minorities, with stop-and-frisk and other such intrusions, including (in this case) taking away weapons, which often escalate into a needless death. At the same time the police shy away from the real crimes, to get the official crime rate down. It's all described in detail here.
Every citizens so far shot has been a criminal doing crime and resisting arrest or attacking police.
DeleteThe Police are the law and not lawless except in a few situations.
I personally think American politics is weird. You have two very very angry, very opposite ends of the spectrum with lots and lots of supporters.
ReplyDeleteNo, actually we have one end of the spectrum in power without any support from the and the other end which has no power. The end that's in power cooks up 'let's pretend' issues, including social issues, to give the appearance of real differences in the citizenry.
Deletetotally agree with both your statements on this. the masses are being misled by the "elite" to keep them from focusing on the real issues in society. between the idiotic entertainment industry to phony political fights the easily distracted are being raped and don't even realize it.
DeleteThe ten bullet magazine law is being enforced in NYS. Locally, the Erie County Sheriff's Office is not enforcing the (un) Safe Act.
ReplyDeleteRegardless of my personal skepticism of many issues that allegedly have a potential to infringe upon our gun rights that are blown way out of proportion to the actual reality by some in the pro-2A circles (not saying this is it, the "UN treaty is an example of this), one thing is a irrefutable fact:
ReplyDeleteThe pro-gun control side has given gun owners NO incentive whatsoever to comply with their so-called "reasonable restrictions", due in no small part to the bureaucratic idiocy of the ATF (F-Troop) and the ulterior motives of the pro-gun control crowd themselves. As eloquently written by a commenter I follow on 2nd Amendment debates on often pro-2A infringement websites http://radishsaltant.blogspot.com/2014/05/why-sensible-gun-control-will-not-happen.html
Another inconvenient fact that many on the pro-gun control side ignore is that their gun control pet rock is one of the major contributing factors to the shift in elections last fall that resulted in Democrats getting ass booted out of office. Not that I give the two party system any credit at all, but I find it interesting that this little piece was written by a progressive (admittedly pro-gun too) highlighted the blowback from knee jerk gun control nonsense http://half-track.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-polemicist-rifle-on-wall-left.html
It is a fact that the fight for our rights, not just gun rights, is a neverending, attritional struggle, and is rapidly turning into a cultural one. The sooner that many pro-Constitution people realize that this will be a bloody, lengthy fight, the better prepared we will be for nipping stupidity in the ass before it is passed into law. "for the public" good, being the deceptive veil, of course (like that one hasn't been used before /rolls eyes/ especially in the name of some of the worst acts of barbarity and infringement on civil liberties in human history)
Like the laws mandating that toy guns be painted bright colors, resulting in criminals painting real guns the same colors to fool law enforcement, there will be many unintended consequences of laws like this. I think you are on to something, Sol.
Yes, it's true. They do it. My last visit to my Doctor had me filling out a form that on one part asked me directly if I owned or possessed firearms in my house.
ReplyDeleteCheck Yes or No.
What? Me? Own a gun?
(NO), check. Lie to them, they lie to you, What they gonna do send out a lie detector or goon squad?
Hell, the Doctor's waiting room has hunting magazines to read out front.
Screw them I got real problems with my health real desires to remain healthy and work on it.
If I have too I can always find another Doctor who doesn't ask such silly ass questions that have nothing to do with my NASH, kidney cyst and sinus problems.
If they ask pointedly I will tell them I am a former Marine Infantryman, I was taught how to kill with my bare hands at seventeen, to kill with a small shovel, a knife and finally with every weapon that is TOE in the Marine Rifle Battalion. I am a deadly weapon with or without firearms, let them figure out how to outlaw me.
Fuck them.
Take note, banning items instead punishment and focusing on the people who use them to commit crimes doesn't work, it only denies the lawful of those items.
ReplyDeleteEXAMPLE: Oklahoma is now considering a law on the table that would ban the possession and wearing of Hoodies by everyone.
No jackets, sweatshirts or coats will be allowed to have a hood.
All because a small set of people use them in crimes.
Will this stop hooded criminals from committing crimes?
No.
Will it harass the citizen with cold ears?
Yes.