Just came out of a meeting with update on situation (all public info), but this is really turning into something interesting:Everyone likes to joke about the French surrendering.
- several people taken into custody after last night's raids, but the two main suspects remain at large
- the third suspect arrested or has given up
At we were speaking, news came in of another shoot-out in the south of Paris this time, details a bit sketchy at the moment, but it seems a man with a bulletproof vest and armed with an MP5 has shot down two local cops near "porte de chatillon" subway station. He has been arrested and isn't either of the two men named in yesterday's attacks. Don't know about his background but he has a "French sounding" name.
In the Lyon area, 200 miles south east of Paris, which is known for its right wing radicals scene, a mosque has been blown up last night. Accident unlikely according to first police reports ...
so we might see an escalation, as had been warned about, with more attackers/lunatics coming out of the woods, but possibly also first signs of retaliation ... wonder where this is going.
What few people seem to realize is how heavy handed the French have been historically when dealing with "insurgents". And these folks have picked a fight on French soil.
The French people are inches away from going rabid and the Muslims in that country are about to pay a price. Pass the popcorn. This won't be fun to watch but something tells me we won't be able to turn our eyes away from it.
Tam noted a while back that the French are second only to the Germans when it comes to transitioning from an open and free society to pogroms to kick out the dirty foreigners.
ReplyDeleteBut in that there is a truth. You cannot reason with people who are willing to kill over cartoons. You can only kill them. It has been this way with every zealot and zealot group in recorded history. Either they abandon their extremist views, or they get eliminated. From the Maccabees to the Taliban, same story, but different time and different empires doing the killing.
i've been waiting for you to post on this especially since you can give an American fighting man's view....a professional view from Europe and how they're dealing with the crisis. are you gonna give it whirl or is it too close to home (work wise).
DeleteMy last six months in Europe have been spent looking east towards Russia, the Baltics, and the Black Sea states, everything from defense aquisitions, joint training exercises, to oil and gas pipeline/port construction. I've only got one unofficial contact in the French Military, and he's been silent on this terror attack.
DeleteRight now this seems to be treated as an internal criminal matter, although French military units are providing additional security similar to our National Guard response following 9/11. News reports from 2013 and earlier show a number of mosque and synagogue defacements, so bombs near mosques is just the logical next step from defacement. Whether that is a neo-nazi or other racial purity movement or simply a simmering anti-semetic sentiment amongst the broader French population is beyond my understanding.
There are definitely demographic tensions in France right now, but I do not know if they are any worse than the demographic tensions in America during the civil rights movement when we had the Weather Underground blowing up people. I would be very surprised if more terror attacks or reprisals escalate from this in the short term. And it should be pointed out that the French gun control laws evidently don't apply to MP5 submachine guns used by terrorists or grenades (used in at least one mosque attack).
One might even argue that when it comes to dealing with Muslim/islamist terrorists the French are second to none in terms of efficiency but also brutality. I'm thinking in particular about the way they dealt with Algerian insurgency back in early 1960s. If you want to see how torture works, that's the way to do it, otherwise, just stay away from it.
ReplyDeleteWord is the life of yesterday's attackers is about to end soon. Two heavily armed men have been sighted and are surrounded in the countryside around the city of Reims where last night's raids took place. The two men were on board of a car on a country road, wearing masks and carrying assault rifles.
Events unfolding as we speak ... This is too good to be true ... think about out two ali babas in a car on a dirt road in cow dung country ... cops are gonna be happy very soon I suspect !
unlike most americans, who are content with their shopping, sports, and numerous other material distractions, even following horrific terrorist attacks like 9/11, the french are often underestimated despite their frequent history of sharpening pitchforks and burning shit down. I would not be surprised if their annual burning is focused against islam in a backlash against this attack.
ReplyDeleteIt is also proof that significant numbers of europeans are rejecting their leaderships' "feel good, globalist, invite everybody in with their own customs, etc" nonsense (and me acknowledging that is nonsense is saying something). The recent elections were also very telling. In my mind, the freedom of speech is absolutely worth defending with outright force, if necessary. It is the duty of us in our western civilization to not be intimidated by fanatical nuts hellbent on dictating our narrative.
But AM is right on the money. Europeans have a history of acting in contradiction to their cliches and stereotypes in getting their hands bloody. That kind of thing happens when populations become fed up with bullshit.
This also alludes to two books I read by Ralph Peters, which I find rather disturbing ("The War After Armageddon" and "Endless War")
I expect similar backlashes in Sweden, the UK, Germany, and Italy.
Feeding you the info as it's trickling in (after it's being cleared, just so there's no misunderstanding).
ReplyDeleteOne of the cops shot this morning in the south of Paris has died in hospital (it's 34 year old woman). The initial suspect has been released, which means the actual shooter is still at large. Officials confirm he had a bullet proof vest, was carrying a handgun and MP5 type weapon.
The area where the two shooters of yesterday's attack have been sighted earlier this morning is under lock down.
Identification of the two Kouachi brothers positive: owner of a gas station that they attacked earlier on has formally recognized them. They have assault weapons and what looks like an RPG in their car.
DeleteOther incident reports about possible retaliation following yesterday's terrorist attacks. In addition to the bombing of the Lyon mosque:
ReplyDelete- Wednesday evening: shots fired at muslim prayer room in southern city of Port-la-Nouvelle - no casualties;
- Wednesday night: shots fired towards car of a Muslim family in southern city of Carpentras.
- Thursday morning: training grenades thrown into courtyard of a mosque, and shots fired, in western city of Le Mans - no casualties.
No worry about that, terrorist attack was the fact of isolated crazy idiots, and now stupid retaliations are isolated acts of stupids guys..
ReplyDeleteFrance is cooler than that.
Our bullshit government popularity will unfortunaly grow, just like GW Bush returned popular after 9/11.
Yeah you don't worry about that ... meanwhile Jews are leaving France and doing Aliya like never before, as they are being attacked on a daily basis now.
DeleteLike Westmoreland said about Nam: "things are gonna get worse before they'll get better" ... keep on not worrying mate !
bullshit : what would you do if we offer you free tour to israel ? You do it.
DeleteThat doesn't mean they abandon french citizenship.
No credible numbers exist on that immigration.
hey dude, it's ok not to have a clue, but don't call me a liar ok ? I know because I'm one of those who left, got it ? I left in early 2000s and things have only gotten worse ever since.
DeleteYou wanna keep hiding from the truth, just keep burying your head in the sand ... but if yesterday's and today's events aren't enough, you're in for another wake-up call sometime in the future.
I've only come back because there are still Jews (and others) who need protection and security, and business is flourishing like you wouldn't believe, so go and have a reality check.
I didn't abandon my French passport either btw, that's not what I was syaing.
As for reliable numbers, go and do a google search ... or ask the Jews in your neigborhood, if there are any left !
I 've no time to fight this : And i believe you say this with sincerity but i don't believe it. For me it's TV / BHL bullshit.
DeleteThere is more anti muslins acts in France than anything...
You say me you see more and more jews that go to isreal ? Perhaps : It's almost like if every non jews will make pogrom tomorrow if you believe french TV.
And you wok in security ? Your business works thanks to this fear...
I'll just say this in French, given that Fabsher seems to think i'm joking about where I come from:
DeleteIl y a des incidents TOUS les jours en France, où des juifs sont menacés ou agressés verbalement ou physiquement. Moi je me suis engagé volontaire à 18 ans et j'ai 15 de pako dans les TDM. J'ai été sur tous les TOE majeurs entre 1987 et 2002 ... alors nos états de service on les compare quand tu veux garçon ! La France a beaucoup changé en 20 ans et des choses que je ne pouvais même pas concevoir, je les vois ou j'en entends parler régulièrement maintenant.
Anybody who's been to Tel Aviv lately will tell you the same: French jews have been the largest group of immigrants in Israel in 2014. Even real estate agents publish their ads in French now, such is the demand ! The number of Jews who left France has doubled between between 2013 et 2014 (from 4000 to 8000) and this year's number should be in excess of 10 000 ! Thats' more than american jews or "Olim" coming from Russia.
Go to the beach front in Tel Aviv and listen to people speaking foreign languages ... French was the one you could hear the most over the recent holidays ! II've never seen as many French Jews in Israel as during as in recent weeks.
But if you want to keep hiding from the facts, be my guest, I'm prepared for what may be coming, while you are in for a rough ride. And your talk about anti-muslim acts at a time such as this is absolutely sickening !! You live in a dreamworld, buddy
From Haaretz (an israeli newspaper)
Delete"According to figures published Wednesday by the Jewish Agency and the Ministry for Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption, the number of Jews immigrating to Israel was up 32 percent this year, compared with 2013. For the first time since the state was founded, the number of immigrants from France exceeded that of any other country. For the second year running, immigration from France outpaced immigration from the United States, with this year’s total reaching nearly 7,000 – more than double that of last year." (http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/.premium-1.634701)
I´m very sad for France - and, also, for UK - as I believe they will suffer more and more terrorist attacks coming from their own muslim citizens...
Thx for that Haaretz article, Jacinto ! maybe Fabsther is gonna say now that the "zionist" media can't be trusted neither ... Reminds me of an old saying in French: 'il n'est pire sourd que celui qui ne veut pas entendre' (there are none so deaf as those who will not listen).
DeleteThere is no point to compare our services, that's not the question.
Delete7000 jews to israel ? Compare thiese numbers to others destinations...
I've heard that Israel help people, only jewish, that want to emigrate with money : that's very good for them.
In contrary, in France, unemployement, FU government, ect...
And there is no numbers on jews that go out of France to others countries, to compare.
My point is a fact, but not sufficient to get conclusion.
France has change in twenty years ? Ask everybody if his country hasn't change ? I'm not muslin, but I 'm in south of France and I see so much racism on them, everyday, and far less on jewish.
We have differents opinions, and not enough data to make us ok.
http://www.contrepoints.org/2012/07/04/89157-exil-quitter-france-pourquoi-exil-fiscal-talents
DeleteAccording to this, 500K french live the country each years, there 0.75% of jews in France according to "North American Jewish Data Bank, 2014",
500K x 0.75% => 37500 Jews that might emmigrate each years. 7K / 37500 => 19% go to Israel.
We are FAR for a mass movement...
The two terrorists have been able to avoid arrest East of Paris. They managed to get onto motorway and are driving towards Paris. Seems like they know they are on their way out and want to go with a big "bang".
ReplyDeleteAll roads into Paris are being blocked by heavily armed police and gendarmerie. Paris hasn't seen anything like it since WWII ... This is gonna end like a shoot-out at the OK Corral !
Be interesting to see how the police respond to attacks on mosques
ReplyDeleteHistorically, any counter attack has drawn a very heavy handed police response.
why france...why now ?
ReplyDeletefunny how random attack happened to mosques , as if someone trying up incite a civil war between muslim and non muslims..
those blameless and innocent muslims will be the one who going to suffer in this craziness... while the crazy extremist muslim will ran away laughing at the chaos they helped create..
Hundreds of soldiers sent to Paris overnight:
ReplyDeletehttp://i.imgur.com/WSHgWtH.jpg
Army (not police or Gendarmerie) helicopters patrolling:
http://i.imgur.com/7D8pwrq.jpg
Both RAID (Police) and GIGN (Gendarmerie/Military) units deployed which is a first in history.
That is not entirely correct: the helicopters that haven been deployed are part of squadron 4 and 5, 4th Spec Forces Helicopter Regiment, which are under direct command of the Gendarmerie's SWAT (GIGN). This means that we now got both the police and gendarmerie swat units (RAID and GIGN) deployed at same time, which is unheard of in a real operation.
DeleteThere an info that France ask for help Spain police... true and why?
DeleteFalse (except if help means intelligence and info sharing).
DeleteWhy ? Because in situations like this all sorts of rumors and false info is being sent at light speed through the web ... btw I still haven't figured out how NBC could quote US counter-terrorism sources yesterday saying one of the Paris attackers had been killed and two others were in custody. any info on that ?
In terms of international cooperation, what the French might do is to call in an invasion by the German army, which might immediately push the terrorists into raising a white flag and surrendering ... I know, I already said it, but let's keep up the good mood !
Hectate, is it muslim groups or white supremacist groups that are pushing Jews out? Or both? I don't keep up with matters in France, and didn't know this was going on.
ReplyDeleteThe reality is Muslims
DeleteThe official story is Nazis
Historically there's always been some antisemitsim coming from what you could call white supremacists groups, but ever since WWII this had all but disapeared ... The trouble is with disgruntled Muslim youth who are more and more indoctrinated by djihadist imams and take issue with the Arab-Israeli conflict and take it out on Jews living in France. This has become a very serious problem in areas where Jews and Muslims used to live in the same neighborhoods together, like certain areas of Paris, Marseille, or Strasbourg where there is a strong Jewish population.
DeleteThings have become really bad after 9/11 and the war on terror ... You can't walk the streets of Paris now and wear a kippah for example. You might get assaulted or insulted by Muslim youth.
That's the basic level of antisemitsim coming from Muslims. Then you got targeted attacks at Jewish cemeteries, synagogues or shops, with Molotov cocktails for example or even grenade attack last summer in a Paris suburb. Or you had a Muslim mob trying to storm a synagogue on Shabbat in the fall ... Riot police had to be called in to quell the unrest.
And then you have real terrorist attacks aimed at killing people like in 2012 when a djihadi youth attacked a Jewish kindergarten in Toulouse and killed a teacher And his two kids, aged 6 and 8 ... It was brutal ... He chased after the 8 year old girl grabbed her by the hair and shot her in the head.
There are many attacks that never make the news because people don't want to know about the day to day humiliations and hatred Jews experience from Muslim youth. But people are fed up with it. Those who stay have to beef up their security, their own the that of their community. The French government knows this and gives more leeway than other governments as long as things stay under control. The JDL is still authorized in France and it's a open secret that former members of the IDF are staying in France and organizing or advising local Jewish communities on how to stay safe.
But things are reaching a tipping point I think. The white supremacist groups, even those who have an antisemitic background have never been involved in a terror attack against Jews in France as long as I can remember. On the other hand if you take the number of attacks coming from Muslim youth, it's peaking every time something happens in the Middle East and the base line keeps going up and up.
It's the French lefties who don't want to accept this truth, not the right or extreme right. They think they can chose between war and dishonor, but they gonna end up with war and dishonor if this country doesn't wake up soon.
Nicely put TrT and very true !
DeleteHecate, are you really serious about that? Jews are being hunted by muslims in France?
DeleteYep unless they get adequate protection in areas where there still is a significant Jewish population. Google it or check out this article:
Deletehttp://dailycaller.com/2015/01/06/frances-multiculturalist-agenda-makes-jews-pack-their-bags/
Ok now i understand, you live in PARIS. Personnaly I came to "les Marais", the 30/12, saw kipas, and no bad muslin jew hunters. But I must admit that could happend there. There much asshole in Paris suburbs.
DeleteYou said that there is no news on jewish attacks ? some weeks ago actuality was all around a rape and robery on jewish couple : Antisemitism said everywhere. Just one problem, the local jews community president said it wasn't : See by yourself.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bq9de_albert-elharrar-l-agression-de-creteil-n-est-pas-antisemite-france-3-03-12-2014_webcam?start=2
So I believe antisemitism is not ignored in France.
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ReplyDeleteThe anti-Semitism isn't just French it's European. A top executive at the BBC recently mentioned his horror at hearing growing anti-semetic talk coming from College , and media people in Britain.
ReplyDeleteIt is no coincendence that is is growing at the same time as radical Islam in Europe. The European love affair with seeing Palestine as nothing but victims of a brutal Israel gives anti-Semitism an intellectual excuse. When you see Hamas portrayed as anything but a terror group then you will naturally also attack any criticism of Islamic radicalism as just islamaphobia. So the anti-semites among the Islamic radicals and the hard-left (and fascist right) all got a pass...except by a few brave brave cartoonists appearently.
People seem to forget that Nazism, while today identified with the political right was actually a left-wing movement--Nazi is an abbreviation of Nationalsozialistische ( "National Socialism") and it's party was the National Socialist German Worker's Party. They portrayed themselves as being both anti-communist AND anti-capitalist.
And don't assume that the anti-muslim extremists aren't also anti-Semitic. They are equal opportunity hate groups and will often trash Jews and Arabs equally. So Jews in Europe need to be ready and those who support real freedom in Europe need to wake up.