No hostage control visible, the standard "cop cluster" prior to entry, it's about as good as you can expect for most major police departments.
The enter and clear was "free flow" which means every man in the stack was trusted to properly id a target before engaging if needed. I probably would have used the same technique given the situation.
I'll see if my friend can get me some of the AAR comments from this incident, as I don't speak French.
The initial plan was to wait longer and wear him out but when he was heard saying his death prayer they decided to activate the contingency assault plan. What can't be seen on this vid is that they make simultaneous entry through service door, allowing hostages bunched up in the back of the store to make a safe exit, while the front door assault team engages the hostage taker. In comparison to Sydney, it's also interesting to see the French have a different approach regarding the weapons and equipment they use for the assault. The frontline officers carry a level IV ballistic shield and form a tight wall, providing for more accurate Fire and high protection to officers going in. Then they have the "second echelon" that is made up of officers carrying automatic weapons who give support, cover or suppressive fire for frontline guys. Finally there is a third echelon, the officers waiting on both sides of entrance, they step in in case of casualties in first echelon so that at all times you have a tight wall of police moving forward and steamrolling what's in front of them until targets are down. At one point you can see the hostage taker run right into the SWAT and getting shot at close range. Judging by standards they have for such operation, they can be reasonably satisfied with the outcome: the hostage taker was never gonna be taken alive, the four dead hostages had been killed by Coulybachy when he stormed the store in the morning. But three hostages are in critical condition and two officers suffered moderate injuries. Btw can someone tell CNN and their dumb fuck experts to STFU about Coulybaly's escaping during the assault: she was NOT on the premises and I hate it when media try to make things overdramatic like a Hollywood movie ... Things are bad enough as they are
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No expert on this but it seems to me that there was some hesitation about going in or staying out. One cop jumped in the store (at 0:17) and walked in front of the other cops shooting, I wonder if he wasn't injured by his own buddies shooting him in the back. He went to the right of the store and then I didn't notice really anyone else following him until the terrorists runs out, killed and then they all go in.
I heard the the terrorist killed one person as soon as he got in the store, I haven't hear how and when the others died.
See AM's and my comment above. There was no hesitation here as they had hacked into cctv and knew location of attacker. The officer who went in is fine. He went in on point with good ballistic protection and made sure booby trapped door wouldn't go off, while enough fire was directed at gunman to cover him. French assault technique in such situations is not about running in and spraying bullets in all directions. They Go in close tight and slow, firing only at clearly identified target and I think it was right thing to do so. Terrorist killed three people right away. Then he killed a young man later on who tried to wrestle one of his weapons away from him.
Thanks Hecate. I just found it strange that only one cop went in by himself and run to his right with his buddies behind him shooting, I was afraid he ran into friendly fire.
Yeah, I just heard that too that the hostages were killed already by the time of the assault.
My other comment is that it seems to me and this might be something the cops around the world are going to have to worry about is that in both situations, from what I hear, both times the bad guys went on the offensive, they went or tried to run out of the buildings shooting. Again, I fear that the cops might end up shooting one another in such tight confines/groupings. In the video before the images are cut before kill shots ( 0:32 to 0:34sec), the one weapon on the right could easily kill a bad guy or shoot his cop buddies to his left if the bad guy makes it outside. My 2 cents, not an expert.....
WARNING!!!!!!!This is the uncensored video and images of the take down. Not for the faint of heart. Not sure if Sol is OK with it, he can take it down if he feels it's inappropriate. WARNING!!!!!!!!
Never go through a choke if you can make your own door. There are a couple armored minitanks that are specifically designed for that task and rugged enough to handle any blasts.
The Badger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8R5TvrZvh0
If the guy has killed a bunch of people, you are beyond the three point arena where you can interrupt safely (as it happens, after the settle and before the ennui and as they start to kill and are victim distracted).
We should be doubly careful not to allow a Zarquawi condition whereby X puts on a dress and rides a motorbike out of town. This means good crowd control as mandatory stay-in-place orders.
It also means you limit the video of the situation as the potential opportunity for 'outside bystanders' with a remote trigger to a wired car or an RPG (or SAW or Sniper Weapon( must be held to a minimum.
Large formation stacks mean large mazcats when someone has the place wired or sighted in.
Since there was a wait after the killings, it makes sense to move towards remote defeat technologies. Either via a gas or a nano-UAV or some kind of through wall microwave (nociceptor initiator).
The guy made it far enough that a grenade or a suicide vest would have made a mess of him.
CT is allowed to exception the Hague on expanding bullets so I would like to know why it took so many shots to stop that man.
This is a comment from M&S that got accidentally deleted. Apologies.
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Can't interrogate a corpse.
Never go through a choke if you can make your own door. There are a couple armored minitanks that are specifically designed for that task and rugged enough to handle any blasts.
The Badger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8R5TvrZvh0
If the guy has killed a bunch of people, you are beyond the three point arena where you can interrupt safely (as it happens, after the settle and before the ennui and as they start to kill and are victim distracted).
We should be doubly careful not to allow a Zarquawi condition whereby X puts on a dress and rides a motorbike out of town. This means good crowd control as mandatory stay-in-place orders.
It also means you limit the video of the situation as the potential opportunity for 'outside bystanders' with a remote trigger to a wired car or an RPG (or SAW or Sniper Weapon( must be held to a minimum.
Large formation stacks mean large mazcats when someone has the place wired or sighted in.
Since there was a wait after the killings, it makes sense to move towards remote defeat technologies. Either via a gas or a nano-UAV or some kind of through wall microwave (nociceptor initiator).
The guy made it far enough that a grenade or a suicide vest would have made a mess of him.
CT is allowed to exception the Hague on expanding bullets so I would like to know why it took so many shots to stop that man.
Several answers to the MSs good comments and questions - he got hit by 60 shots, out of about 70 that police fired ... Some (most of) the automatics Fire that you hear in he vid is from Coulybaly himself. The officers tried to bring him down with targeted shots from their handguns mostly but as he was wearing a level 3A balistic vest, the body shots didn't stop him. Now when you know how mud adrenaline must have been pumping through his veins, you realize that the only thing that's gonna stop him is a couple of head shots which is what he got in the end. - the place was booby trapped but they managed to deactivate the detonator before making entry - not gonna go into details about how they managed to do it. - even if using a badger the entry point would not have been much wider then this main door and the officers would not have had a visual of the gunman right away as they knew he was facing the main door. That way they were able to engage as son as opening the door. There were also hostages scattered around in the store so any blast to the walls could have had fatal consequences. - use of high power CS gas could have been an option indeed but given the size of the place, even that would have taken too long to be efficient and he would have had enough time to kill more hostages. - he had killed four people as he made his way in, so indeed beyond point of safe interruption, but don't forget this was a simultaneous stand off with the other location, which made things harder to handle. Also after the initial storming of the building he had been on the phone with negotiators, in which case you try and see if there's anything to do to avoid final shootout. When they had certainty there was nothing anymore to do, they moved in. - crowd control in the areas was good, all buildings surrounding the store had been canvassed, journalists were kept out but decision was made not to evacuate the locals because this might have triggered some kind of impulse reaction by the gunman. - they also had eyes and ears in the place during the whole time.
As for interrogating a corpse you're right but you'll find out soon that Intel on this guy is pretty consistent unfortunately (raising questions about Intel and in particular Intel sharing with US). So I wouldn't say it was essential to get him alive. However we might soon find out there has been a Intel blunder somewhere along the road to this cell getting to work.
No hostage control visible, the standard "cop cluster" prior to entry, it's about as good as you can expect for most major police departments.
ReplyDeleteThe enter and clear was "free flow" which means every man in the stack was trusted to properly id a target before engaging if needed. I probably would have used the same technique given the situation.
I'll see if my friend can get me some of the AAR comments from this incident, as I don't speak French.
The initial plan was to wait longer and wear him out but when he was heard saying his death prayer they decided to activate the contingency assault plan.
DeleteWhat can't be seen on this vid is that they make simultaneous entry through service door, allowing hostages bunched up in the back of the store to make a safe exit, while the front door assault team engages the hostage taker.
In comparison to Sydney, it's also interesting to see the French have a different approach regarding the weapons and equipment they use for the assault. The frontline officers carry a level IV ballistic shield and form a tight wall, providing for more accurate Fire and high protection to officers going in. Then they have the "second echelon" that is made up of officers carrying automatic weapons who give support, cover or suppressive fire for frontline guys. Finally there is a third echelon, the officers waiting on both sides of entrance, they step in in case of casualties in first echelon so that at all times you have a tight wall of police moving forward and steamrolling what's in front of them until targets are down.
At one point you can see the hostage taker run right into the SWAT and getting shot at close range.
Judging by standards they have for such operation, they can be reasonably satisfied with the outcome: the hostage taker was never gonna be taken alive, the four dead hostages had been killed by Coulybachy when he stormed the store in the morning. But three hostages are in critical condition and two officers suffered moderate injuries.
Btw can someone tell CNN and their dumb fuck experts to STFU about Coulybaly's escaping during the assault: she was NOT on the premises and I hate it when media try to make things overdramatic like a Hollywood movie ... Things are bad enough as they are
That was meant to say Coulybaly's wife not Being on the premises so Reese or whatever should be cashing in his paycheck and shut up
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GIGN moving in in Damartin with armored Chevy (imported from US) and RTD Sherpa
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Official GIGN Video
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS57T5A0CIE
did the terrorist got one of the assaulter ? i saw one police dragged out by his mates..
ReplyDeleteNo expert on this but it seems to me that there was some hesitation about going in or staying out. One cop jumped in the store (at 0:17) and walked in front of the other cops shooting, I wonder if he wasn't injured by his own buddies shooting him in the back. He went to the right of the store and then I didn't notice really anyone else following him until the terrorists runs out, killed and then they all go in.
ReplyDeleteI heard the the terrorist killed one person as soon as he got in the store, I haven't hear how and when the others died.
See AM's and my comment above. There was no hesitation here as they had hacked into cctv and knew location of attacker. The officer who went in is fine. He went in on point with good ballistic protection and made sure booby trapped door wouldn't go off, while enough fire was directed at gunman to cover him.
DeleteFrench assault technique in such situations is not about running in and spraying bullets in all directions. They
Go in close tight and slow, firing only at clearly identified target and I think it was right thing to do so.
Terrorist killed three people right away. Then he killed a young man later on who tried to wrestle one of his weapons away from him.
Thanks Hecate. I just found it strange that only one cop went in by himself and run to his right with his buddies behind him shooting, I was afraid he ran into friendly fire.
DeleteYeah, I just heard that too that the hostages were killed already by the time of the assault.
My other comment is that it seems to me and this might be something the cops around the world are going to have to worry about is that in both situations, from what I hear, both times the bad guys went on the offensive, they went or tried to run out of the buildings shooting. Again, I fear that the cops might end up shooting one another in such tight confines/groupings. In the video before the images are cut before kill shots ( 0:32 to 0:34sec), the one weapon on the right could easily kill a bad guy or shoot his cop buddies to his left if the bad guy makes it outside. My 2 cents, not an expert.....
Get a load of this-
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/charlie-hebdo-anonymous-declares-war-4949878
Hacktivist group Anonymous is trying to target ISIS and other Jihadists.
WARNING!!!!!!!This is the uncensored video and images of the take down. Not for the faint of heart. Not sure if Sol is OK with it, he can take it down if he feels it's inappropriate. WARNING!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.spi0n.com/video-amedi-coulibaly-mort-photo/
Can't interrogate a corpse.
ReplyDeleteNever go through a choke if you can make your own door. There are a couple armored minitanks that are specifically designed for that task and rugged enough to handle any blasts.
The Badger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8R5TvrZvh0
If the guy has killed a bunch of people, you are beyond the three point arena where you can interrupt safely (as it happens, after the settle and before the ennui and as they start to kill and are victim distracted).
We should be doubly careful not to allow a Zarquawi condition whereby X puts on a dress and rides a motorbike out of town. This means good crowd control as mandatory stay-in-place orders.
It also means you limit the video of the situation as the potential opportunity for 'outside bystanders' with a remote trigger to a wired car or an RPG (or SAW or Sniper Weapon( must be held to a minimum.
Large formation stacks mean large mazcats when someone has the place wired or sighted in.
Since there was a wait after the killings, it makes sense to move towards remote defeat technologies. Either via a gas or a nano-UAV or some kind of through wall microwave (nociceptor initiator).
The guy made it far enough that a grenade or a suicide vest would have made a mess of him.
CT is allowed to exception the Hague on expanding bullets so I would like to know why it took so many shots to stop that man.
Well done France. Only 4.7 million more to go.
This is a comment from M&S that got accidentally deleted. Apologies.
ReplyDeleteM&S has left a new comment on your post "Here is the vid of French RAID unit engaging the t...":
Can't interrogate a corpse.
Never go through a choke if you can make your own door. There are a couple armored minitanks that are specifically designed for that task and rugged enough to handle any blasts.
The Badger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8R5TvrZvh0
If the guy has killed a bunch of people, you are beyond the three point arena where you can interrupt safely (as it happens, after the settle and before the ennui and as they start to kill and are victim distracted).
We should be doubly careful not to allow a Zarquawi condition whereby X puts on a dress and rides a motorbike out of town. This means good crowd control as mandatory stay-in-place orders.
It also means you limit the video of the situation as the potential opportunity for 'outside bystanders' with a remote trigger to a wired car or an RPG (or SAW or Sniper Weapon( must be held to a minimum.
Large formation stacks mean large mazcats when someone has the place wired or sighted in.
Since there was a wait after the killings, it makes sense to move towards remote defeat technologies. Either via a gas or a nano-UAV or some kind of through wall microwave (nociceptor initiator).
The guy made it far enough that a grenade or a suicide vest would have made a mess of him.
CT is allowed to exception the Hague on expanding bullets so I would like to know why it took so many shots to stop that man.
Well done France. Only 4.7 million more to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8R5TvrZvh0&authuser=0
Several answers to the MSs good comments and questions
Delete- he got hit by 60 shots, out of about 70 that police fired ... Some (most of) the automatics Fire that you hear in he vid is from Coulybaly himself. The officers tried to bring him down with targeted shots from their handguns mostly but as he was wearing a level 3A balistic vest, the body shots didn't stop him. Now when you know how mud adrenaline must have been pumping through his veins, you realize that the only thing that's gonna stop him is a couple of head shots which is what he got in the end.
- the place was booby trapped but they managed to deactivate the detonator before making entry - not gonna go into details about how they managed to do it.
- even if using a badger the entry point would not have been much wider then this main door and the officers would not have had a visual of the gunman right away as they knew he was facing the main door. That way they were able to engage as son as opening the door. There were also hostages scattered around in the store so any blast to the walls could have had fatal consequences.
- use of high power CS gas could have been an option indeed but given the size of the place, even that would have taken too long to be efficient and he would have had enough time to kill more hostages.
- he had killed four people as he made his way in, so indeed beyond point of safe interruption, but don't forget this was a simultaneous stand off with the other location, which made things harder to handle. Also after the initial storming of the building he had been on the phone with negotiators, in which case you try and see if there's anything to do to avoid final shootout. When they had certainty there was nothing anymore to do, they moved in.
- crowd control in the areas was good, all buildings surrounding the store had been canvassed, journalists were kept out but decision was made not to evacuate the locals because this might have triggered some kind of impulse reaction by the gunman.
- they also had eyes and ears in the place during the whole time.
As for interrogating a corpse you're right but you'll find out soon that Intel on this guy is pretty consistent unfortunately (raising questions about Intel and in particular Intel sharing with US). So I wouldn't say it was essential to get him alive. However we might soon find out there has been a Intel blunder somewhere along the road to this cell getting to work.
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