From the way it lurched while braking, I'd say it is very light, can't possibly be more than 20 tons maximum, and a bit top heavy. Gun looks like either a 25 or 30mm Bushmaster.
Not really my cup of tea, my preference is for a 25-30 ton vehicle, with the added weight being in armour. It's getting to such a point in weapons development that anything less than 20 tons is going to be at risk under moderate direct fire. Look at the number of vehicles running around with 25mm+ cannon these days, not to mention the 23mm technicals. Of course, there is also the "don't get hit" concept, where some tanks go with heavy firepower but low armour in the operational concept of "first round wins", but I doubt that this is the concept behind this vehicle, with a Bushmaster main gun.
Owl, the standard armor in guarani is kinda weak( according to this video, it's up to 7.62x51 AP). So with reinforced plates, it might reach the weight you consider ideal.
this vehicle is classed as an APC not IFV. it drops personnel on the edge of battle...IT DOES NOT transport them into battle! that is a big difference between the US Army's mechanized concept of operations and the USMC's. they need IFVs. we need APCs.
The classification between IFV and APC is rather vague, but once you hit a medium calibre main gun, it's edging heavily into IFV territory. Though technically this was due to the old medium calibres having a turret basket below, cutting into carry capacity. Now with RWS, it seems that people are getting the best of both worlds, further confusing classification.
Its easy really an IFV goes with the tanks and drops of Infantry to support tanks against concentrated enemy resistance. An IFV has the usual fire power 25mm up to 40mm with but not always ATGM to destroy tanks. An APC is just a battle taxi to drop troops of where needed near or close to the battlefield then retreating to pick up more troops etc and only has firepower of 50 cal or 20 mm or both, therefore doesn't need the firepower of the IFV.
And somehow strangely enough, the ABGs that I see advance all do it together, APC and IFV.
Think it through, armoured infantry are meant to deploy and cover tanks from infantry AT teams. Which they can't do one bound back, unless you happen to think that they are all carrying sniper rifles?
Theory says one thing. Practice says infantry needs to keep up with armour to cover them. And that means APCs.up front as well. Slightly behind the tanks, but still within 100m.
Anti-sniper screen. In this 6x6, it looks like the vision slit isn't a periscope but really a vision slit, which means the driver is directly behind the slit in the hatch. If a sniper with an anti-material rifle is good, he might score on the driver without that screen.
WTF is that death trap of a turret.
ReplyDeleteI believe ( perhaps am more hoping) it's a remote turret with a M2 Machine gun and It's real on some models.
DeleteWho would ever put windows on the unmanned turret
DeleteBecause (this one) is not unmanned.
DeleteIt's called a Platt mount.
DeleteIt's been used quite often in Afghanistan and there has not been much complaints about it, so, no, it's not a deathtrap. It only looks like one.
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DeleteHere is a video showing guarani with a unmanned turret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZtKXM-e0z4
From the way it lurched while braking, I'd say it is very light, can't possibly be more than 20 tons maximum, and a bit top heavy. Gun looks like either a 25 or 30mm Bushmaster.
DeleteNot really my cup of tea, my preference is for a 25-30 ton vehicle, with the added weight being in armour. It's getting to such a point in weapons development that anything less than 20 tons is going to be at risk under moderate direct fire. Look at the number of vehicles running around with 25mm+ cannon these days, not to mention the 23mm technicals. Of course, there is also the "don't get hit" concept, where some tanks go with heavy firepower but low armour in the operational concept of "first round wins", but I doubt that this is the concept behind this vehicle, with a Bushmaster main gun.
Owl, the standard armor in guarani is kinda weak( according to this video, it's up to 7.62x51 AP). So with reinforced plates, it might reach the weight you consider ideal.
Deletethis vehicle is classed as an APC not IFV. it drops personnel on the edge of battle...IT DOES NOT transport them into battle! that is a big difference between the US Army's mechanized concept of operations and the USMC's. they need IFVs. we need APCs.
DeleteThe classification between IFV and APC is rather vague, but once you hit a medium calibre main gun, it's edging heavily into IFV territory. Though technically this was due to the old medium calibres having a turret basket below, cutting into carry capacity. Now with RWS, it seems that people are getting the best of both worlds, further confusing classification.
DeleteIts easy really an IFV goes with the tanks and drops of Infantry to support tanks against concentrated enemy resistance. An IFV has the usual fire power 25mm up to 40mm with but not always ATGM to destroy tanks. An APC is just a battle taxi to drop troops of where needed near or close to the battlefield then retreating to pick up more troops etc and only has firepower of 50 cal or 20 mm or both, therefore doesn't need the firepower of the IFV.
DeleteAnd somehow strangely enough, the ABGs that I see advance all do it together, APC and IFV.
DeleteThink it through, armoured infantry are meant to deploy and cover tanks from infantry AT teams. Which they can't do one bound back, unless you happen to think that they are all carrying sniper rifles?
Theory says one thing. Practice says infantry needs to keep up with armour to cover them. And that means APCs.up front as well. Slightly behind the tanks, but still within 100m.
Is that a HUD (or a teleprompter) in front of the vision slit just forward of the turret?
ReplyDeleteAnti-sniper screen. In this 6x6, it looks like the vision slit isn't a periscope but really a vision slit, which means the driver is directly behind the slit in the hatch. If a sniper with an anti-material rifle is good, he might score on the driver without that screen.
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