Remember this post I did on the LCS? I wondered aloud about whether or not we were seeing the rebirth of the original destroyer...a PT Boat killer.
Well Lane responded to that post and I thought that response was so outstanding that I felt it needed to be a blog entry all its own. Check it out below...
Sol to answer your question no we're not seeing a rebirth of the torpedo boat destroyer. The torpedo as a primary small craft (and ship) based weapon was replaced by the guided missile over 40 years ago.I'm still waivering but he makes a strong case.
LCS is intended to deal with "swarms" of small boats. This is ridiculous on multiple levels. The first one is what nation is going to attack us with swarms of small boats other than Iran? The answer is none. The reason for this is that you come up with attacking navies with small boats when that's in fact all you've got since you've isolated yourself from the world community and don't have access to anything else.
Another reason it's ridiculous is that LCS is going to be armed with a 3.5 range missile to deal with small boats. There are literally dozens of systems with a greater range than 3.5 miles that can be carried by small boats.
More importantly is that the main small craft threat isn't a bunch of speed boats armed with RPG's, machine guns, or explosives for suicide attacks but rather actual guided missile boats that have LCS both seriously out ranged and can as fast or faster.
Any basic surface combatant from a missile boat, corvette, frigate, etc., should be able to deal with the modest threat of speed boats given the main surface threat continues to be anti ship missiles launched by boats, ships, aircraft, etc.
LCS is frankly a totally flawed concept on myriad levels. The entire notion of swapping modules has been thrown out by the USN because the modules are too expensive. So in effect each LCS will be a single role ship. This assumes they any of the modules to eventually work as none do at present nor are projected to work any time soon.
LCS simply seems to be about putting large numbers of sexy hulls in the water so surface warfare officers have a greater chance to get their tickets punched. The only real utility of the ships is that they carry 2 helicopters. The fact we have to spend $500+ million for them plus the additional cost of the module(s) in order to carry 140+ knot helicopters around at 40+ knots is absurd.
The one thing in that video that interested me, however, was the projection that LCS can go 1,000nm at 40+ knots. That's one single day of operations at max speed. In effect the USN took the original Street fighter concept of a 500 or so ton fast boat added two helicopters and came up with a 3,000 ton speed boat.
In comparison the rest of the world builds 3,000 ton general purpose frigates that carry 1 or 2 helicopters at lower cost but can also undertake various things LCS can not.
LCS has extremely little ability to deal with surface threats. Assuming they get the ASW module to work only ships with this module have ASW capacity. The ships have extremely limited defense against aerial threats. They can't escort other ships, they're not equipped to do radar picket, naval gunfire support, etc. On top of all this they're far less survivable than a normal warship.
Frankly the USN is out of it's mind. They not only designed single role ships that require each separate combat module to be integrated but then went and bought two different classes each with it's own systems.
Worse they are giving up having small cost effective patrol and mine warfare craft in favor of an ill equipped over priced frigate sized speed boat. By doing away with general purpose frigates they're forcing every real mission to be performed by a DDG. Moreover, every single DDG we have is a large expensive AEGIS equipped ship. It's ridiculous.
It's not just LCS. Instead of putting a couple of the new guns on a cost effective NGS ship they put them on a 15,000 ton cruiser that costs $6 billion. Even more ironic they may end up buying more DDG-1000's because they're cheaper to operate than a DDG-51 III, the DDG-51 III is going to cost a lot more than anyone thought, and DDG-1000 performs shallow water asw far better.
A very strong case that the LCS concept is fucked up from the floor up.
(Some of the folks in the milblog world appear to have studied in the Schools of Classical Misogynism, complete with women in the kitchen and serve me coffee references as well as accusations of misquote when they consistently do the same. And we wonder why there’s discussion of the death of the milblog genre?)
Is that the best you can come up with?
You have a Marine Corps Officer. An Aviator that is wanting to take time off not so that she can further her education (which is a benefit to the Marine Corps) but to help raise her kids.
She is identifying herself as being female through her own statements. Her hook>>>her words not mine>>>>and the general tone of her entire presentation showed one thing.
She wants it all and the Marine Corps is not providing her an avenue to do it.
Now say it out loud. Look in the mirror when you do and ask yourself is that in the best interests of the Marine Corps or is it better for her to do like so many others have.
Enjoyed their time in service and moved on.
Your argument is lacking, your bias obvious and your attempt at chivalry unconvincing (if males are running to defend a female in a debate…no matter how heated, then what will happen in combat?).
You have the audacity to throw stones at me, yet shrivel at the thought of challenging others that don’t agree with your viewpoints. You and the good Major have that in common. Freaking amazing.
I’ll do you this favor cowboy. I’ll back off this blog (I don’t like the smell—speaking clearly, plainly and forcefully is definitely out of style) and you and the others can duke it out. But make sure that you challenge their more “reasoned” statements.
I don’t think you will but it’ll be fun to watch if you do.
May 8th, 2012 at 10:41 PM